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Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:35 AM

Multiple Domestic Murder-Suicide in Florida

Bloomberg Business News reports

A gunman opened fire at a central Florida beauty salon Thursday, killing three women and wounding the manager, who had asked for a restraining order against him, police said. After the rampage, the gunman went to a friend's house and killed himself.

Authorities said the shooting was part of a domestic dispute, but did not elaborate. The gunman, identified by police as Bradford Baumet, was served with a domestic violence injunction Oct. 9 and scheduled to be in court Thursday for a hearing with the salon's manager, Marcia Santiago. Their relationship was not immediately clear.

About two hours before the hearing, Baumet, 36, entered Las Dominicanas M & M Salon in Casselberry and started shooting, police spokeswoman Sara Brady said. Two women hid inside a bathroom and one ran outside through a back door.

The difference between criminal gun owners and lawful gun owners is not all that great. Both groups contain individuals who are unfit to own and operate firearms. The problem is gun availability is such that the criminals can get guns just as easily as the lawful. This is a problem.

The NRA and gun-rights advocates won't have it any other way. Refusing any and all restrictions which would impact on the criminal's ability to acquire guns, they are responsible for the gun violence we see every day.

There is a solution, which would amount to little more than inconvenience for truly legitimate gun owners. It's hard to imagine the selfishness of gun-rights folks who reject such simple measures as background checks, licensing and registration. Lives would be saved. Murder, like what took place in the Florida beauty salon, would be diminished drastically. In England there are 4 times fewer murders, per capita, and that's largely due to the lack of gun availability.

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
Cross posted at Mikeb302000

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Reply Multiple Domestic Murder-Suicide in Florida (Original post)
mikeb302000 Oct 2012 OP
nebenaube Oct 2012 #1
spin Oct 2012 #3
mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #13
friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #32
spin Oct 2012 #2
mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #14
spin Oct 2012 #26
rl6214 Oct 2012 #23
Common Sense Party Oct 2012 #4
mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #15
Common Sense Party Oct 2012 #17
gejohnston Oct 2012 #19
rl6214 Oct 2012 #24
ileus Oct 2012 #5
slackmaster Oct 2012 #6
holdencaufield Oct 2012 #7
rrneck Oct 2012 #8
holdencaufield Oct 2012 #9
PavePusher Oct 2012 #10
discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #12
mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #16
discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #21
Clames Oct 2012 #31
discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #11
mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #18
gejohnston Oct 2012 #20
discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #25
4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #28
discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #29
4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #30
rl6214 Oct 2012 #22
mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #33
4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #27

Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:39 AM

1. I am fine with everything you say except the registration. n/t

 

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Response to nebenaube (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:24 AM

3. Do you seriously agree with Federal "May Issue" carry permits? ...

The end result would be that the rich, the famous and the well connected would be allowed to legally carry firearms while the average person would find obtaining a carry permit to be extremely difficult or impossible.

Also "May Issue" can easily be a means to stop honest members of the minority community from carrying a firearm for self defense. "Shall Issue" eliminates cronyism and racism.

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Response to nebenaube (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:15 AM

13. But it's necessary in order to require new gun buyers to hold onto their purchases

and prove it three months and a year later.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #13)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 04:33 PM

32. Now you want people that buy guns to be required to keep them, and prove it? Fuck that noise.

Do make sure to use only cold water and some baking soda while washing your shirts.

That way, the black won't fade as quickly...

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:12 AM

2. Dream on. ...

Most of the ideas that you have proposed are impossible to pass at this time or in the near future in the United States.

To save people from having to click on a blind link why didn't you simply list your ideas in your post.





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Response to spin (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:16 AM

14. Clicking on a link is so difficult? Is that it? nt

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #14)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 01:12 PM

26. I always am hesitant to click on a blind link.

You may help your blog count but since others who post here are also careful about blind links, you do little to further discussion.

Would it have all that hard to copy and paste your ideas to your post on DU and also provide a link to your blog?

rl6214 in reply #23 to to my post agreed with me and suspects that your goal is to increase traffic to your blog. I will ask you which is more important, traffic to your blog or engaging in interesting and educational discussion on DU.

You can always mention your blog in your posts and those who are interested in your opinions can chose to visit.

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Response to spin (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 10:58 AM

23. "To save people from having to click on a blind link why didn't you simply list your ideas "

 

Never gonna happen, you know that...he won't get the traffic driven to his blog. It'snot matter of simply clickng on a link as he says, its a matter of driving blog traffic for profit.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 08:08 AM

4. In all your numerous posts (or links to your blog) where you detail your super-neat-o

magical annual registration fix, you have failed completely, every time you are asked, to explain HOW police depatments and cash-strapped municipalities would pay for your massive new bureaucratic structure.

They don't have the manpower to enact your Big Brother wet dream, and they don't have the money to hire the people necessary.

So your idea WON'T WORK.

Back to the drawing board with you.

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Response to Common Sense Party (Reply #4)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:18 AM

15. Financing my plan is the next problem to be overcome.

Are you in agreement with me so far, and that's why we're talking about financing?

The money could be there if you consider the BILLIONS spent each year in the aftermath gun violence which would be saved with proper gun control.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #15)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:21 AM

17. Hell, no, I am not in agreement with it.

It's silly and implausible and has zero chance of ever being implemented, since the vast majority of lawmakers won't even consider it.

Funding is only one of its deficiencies.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #15)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:25 AM

19. problem is,

no money would be saved, there is no evidence "proper gun control" has ever done anything. The only reason Canada passed their strict laws in 1977 was because of political violence, Quebec separatists and Mohawks not wanting another fucking golf course. Before then, their laws were, on balance, laxer than ours in many ways. Our murder rate was still three times higher than theirs, although according to Statistics Canada, pistols are used in murders now than then.

Would you have an online registration?

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #15)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 11:02 AM

24. Does Italy have the money to implement a gun control program like you want to do?

 

$16 trillion dollar debt and you want to pile more on top of that, from the safety of your UN office in Italy.


"BILLIONS spent each year in the aftermath gun "

Got a link to support that? You've got a link to everything else on your blog apparently.

And how do you take care of the illegal gun owners such as yourself?

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 08:49 AM

5. Duplicate...at least look thru what other people post.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:19 AM

6. A person who was murdered with a licensed, registered gun is just as dead as someone...

 

...who was murdered with any other kind of weapon.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 11:05 AM

8. Why wpuld anyone

work so hard to drive traffic to an anonymous blog?

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Response to rrneck (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 11:23 AM

9. Medication imbalance?

 

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:44 PM

10. He certainly seems to suffer from multiple-personality-posting disorder.

 

Along with cognitive dissonance, unfactual-assertion fail-itis and evidence non-citum syndrome.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #10)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:05 PM

12. on the other hand...

...as Joe Walsh has said, you're never alone with a schizophrenic.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #12)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:20 AM

16. When the argument fails, attack the opponent personally. nt

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #16)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 08:40 AM

21. Not to worry...

...I won't hold it against you.

I see your value for human rights is only exceeded by your grasp of humor.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #16)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 03:30 PM

31. Which is all you do to gun owners in general.

 

Attack, whine, complain, insult...repeat, repeat, repeat. I guess when you support extremist gun control that's all you have these days are failed arguments...

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:03 PM

11. Which end of the spectrum...

...do you advocate?

The difference between criminal gun owners and lawful gun owners is not all that great.


Equating the lawful folks with the criminals in essence advocates either tyranny or anarchy. I'm guessing you're a tyranny fan.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #11)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:22 AM

18. What? Tyranny or anarchy? What are you talking about?

What connects criminal and lawful gun owners together is the gun itself and the mentality of using it to solve problems.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #18)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:29 AM

20. no

the lawful gun owner doesn't use it "to solve problems". If he or she uses it against another human, almost always it is when all reasonable options have failed.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #18)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 11:54 AM

25. What I'm talking about:

A gun is only a tool. (Kind of like some politicians and propagandists) The gun is used not to solve a problem per se but to reduce the effort required for the human in possession to solve the problem. It is analogous to a lever or a forklift.

You made the claim that "The difference between criminal gun owners and lawful gun owners is not all that great." I'd like to know what all it is, if anything, that you feel distinguishes criminals from non-criminals. Your equating of lawful and criminal peoples strictly based on property ownership has the potential to be much more socially damaging than firearm deaths.

If society accepts that no difference exists between certain criminal and non-criminal behavior, the law will serve to reinforce the benefits of the crime.

The gun as being a "connection" between the criminals and lawful people is not something that distinguishes them. Many things "connect" some criminals with some lawful people. President Clinton and Adolf Hitler share a blood type. Actor Peter Graves, Congressman Don Ritter and Astronaut Ron McNair all share a birthday, today BTW. These similarities don't imply anything.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #11)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:30 PM

28. Everyone is a pre-criminal

 

in that everyone is capable of breaking the law.

Which justifies treating everyone as criminals without the silly paperwork involved in a trial.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #28)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:55 PM

29. My point in this discussion...

...was to highlight the fact that treating non-criminals like criminals will encourage criminal behavior. Why would a sane person advocate that?

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #29)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:57 PM

30. A sane person wouldn't

 

But I don't think that applies here.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 10:54 AM

22. Do you care whether you EVER write anything that is remotely truthfull?

 

"The NRA and gun-rights advocates won't have it any other way. Refusing any and all restrictions which would impact on ability to acquire guns,"

The NRA has been instrumental in helping create many laws to help keep guns out of criminal hands including the current NICS background checks.

Talk about fact checking, Romney has nothing on you when it comes to fact checking.

You just keep on spamming your blog.

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Response to rl6214 (Reply #22)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:35 AM

33. yeah, that's right.

the NRA really supports background checks and other gun control initiatives. In fact they came up with the idea. Thanks for reminding me.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:28 PM

27. Yay, this post again

 

some people break the law, ergo no one should have rights.

There is only a trivial difference between a good citizen and a criminal (breaking the law) so we should treat everyone like a criminal.

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