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Thu Oct 18, 2012, 05:05 PM

CNN Parrots National Rifle Association Falsehoods On Assault Weapons

A CNN article published yesterday about increased efforts by the National Rifle Association to defeat President Obama credulously echoed false NRA talking points on assault weapons, without noting Mitt Romney's well-documented flip flop on the issue.

The article notes that in responding to a question about assault weapons in Tuesday's presidential debate, Obama mentioned an assault weapons ban. Instead of offering independent reporting on the topic, CNN political director Mark Preston only provided readers with the take of the NRA's chief lobbyist, Chris Cox, on the issue of assault weapons bans:

"Some gun owners took Obama at his word four years ago, when he said he wouldn't take their guns away," said Chris W. Cox, executive director, NRA's Institute for Legislative Action. "So, after years of paying lip service to the Second Amendment, President Obama finally let it slip last night that he supports the most draconian form of gun control - a gun ban."

Preston, however, did not acknowledge that 62 percent of Americans, including 61 percent of Independents and 49 percent of Republicans, favor assault weapons bans. Nor did he mention that President Obama never made a promise to gun owners to not restrict access to assault weapons, as Cox suggested.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/10/18/cnn-parrots-national-rifle-association-falsehoo/190740

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Reply CNN Parrots National Rifle Association Falsehoods On Assault Weapons (Original post)
SecularMotion Oct 2012 OP
confoosed Oct 2012 #1
SecularMotion Oct 2012 #3
Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #6
SecularMotion Oct 2012 #7
Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #8
SecularMotion Oct 2012 #9
Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #10
ileus Oct 2012 #11
gejohnston Oct 2012 #13
ileus Oct 2012 #14
gejohnston Oct 2012 #15
holdencaufield Oct 2012 #18
gejohnston Oct 2012 #2
SecularMotion Oct 2012 #4
gejohnston Oct 2012 #5
holdencaufield Oct 2012 #12
krispos42 Oct 2012 #16
Francis Marion Oct 2012 #17
Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #19


Response to confoosed (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 05:24 PM

3. From the link you provided

As always, these general views on stricter gun laws versus stronger gun rights can translate into very different attitudes when pollsters ask about specific proposals.

For example, a CBS News/New York Times poll conducted in January 2011, immediately after the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and 18 others in Tucson, Ariz., found that 65 percent of Americans opposed a ban on the sale of all handguns. Yet on the same survey, nearly as many supported a nationwide ban on "assault weapons" (63 percent) and a nationwide ban on "high-capacity magazines" (63 percent).


You should read the article before posting.

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 06:58 PM

6. Does David Brock of Mediamatters still have an armed bodyguard accompany him? nt

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 07:11 PM

7. When you take on gun nuts and the NRA it's wise to have a bodyguard.

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 07:20 PM

8. Really? I thought it was because he lived in a crime-free city. You make a good point...

however. Since he felt threatened (you prefer to substitute your own paranoia for my more likely prosaic explanation), then he should have an ARMED bodyguard.

What makes you think 150,000,000 other Americans can't take the same action?

Gun-control has ALWAYS been about only "elites" having guns, right?

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 07:25 PM

9. 150,000,000 other Americans don't feel threatened

by a small minority of gun nuts.

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 07:35 PM

10. Pheww. I guess I'm in the clear being with the 80,000,000+ who aren't threatened. Thanks...

for that reassurance!

BTW, let me know who that "small minority" is so I can watch out for them before I nod off to sleep.

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:28 PM

11. I don't really care for the lasers S&W is putting on the bodyguards.

The revolvers on button is on top and out of the way IMHO, and my brothers 380's switch is kind of flaky.

Get the Ruger LCP or LCR instead. I also recommend the S&W 642 like my wife carries...sweet shooting little pistol.

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Response to ileus (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:56 PM

13. I have been thinking a LC9

or an LCP.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:01 PM

14. I love my LCP...but I would like to step up to a little larger caliber.

Were were just talking about this today at work. A friend of mine is thinking about a LC9...For me I'm not stuck up on having a SD pistol with a safety so I really liked the LC9 that I looked at. The safety is perfectly sized, somewhat recessed and easily operated. Or if you so desire just leave it off. I didn't pull the trigger so I don't know about that.

I'm a pretty big fan of rugers, I've owned (and own) several and haven't been disappointed yet, they work and they're affordable.

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Response to ileus (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:14 PM

15. I'm one of those "if it isn't Ruger or Walther, it isn't" although

my cop siblings loved their Smith and Wessons. In the woods, I'll take Single Six or Bearcat over just about anything.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #15)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 02:27 AM

18. I love my Ruger Vaqueros ...

 

... in .357. I also can't get enough of my Ruger GSR.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 05:24 PM

2. how is that different than MM parroting Brady Campaign falsehoods

without independent reporting? Just a little hypocritical. BTW, what exactly did CNN say? Does MM provide evidence that contradict what Cox told CNN? As usual, no. Brock still has the same spots when he said Anita Hill was "a little nutty and a little slutty."

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 05:28 PM

4. Have you read David Brock's "The Republican Noise Machine"?

He should write a follow-up on the NRA Noise Machine.

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 05:37 PM

5. I did

read Blinded by the Right as well. Basiclly, he switich sides after he realized his "friends" were homophobic assholes when he came out and American Spectator fired him when he did not write an ugly enough hit piece on Mrs. Clinton, even though his previous screeds were. Since he was a city boy, I'm guessing his view on guns pre dates his enlightenment.

I notice you did not address my post. So?????/

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:44 PM

12. When you've lost CNN ...

 

... it's time to rethink your argument.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:25 PM

16. And....

...63% of Americans don't own guns at all, so how can their opinion on the matter be informed?


If you showed those 63% a picture of a rifle classified as an "assault weapon" (per 1993 federal ban) and a "sporting semiautomatic rifle" (also per the 1993 federal ban), would they really think the ban did anything? Would they really feel safer? Would they really think society is better served?

63% of the American people have this viewpoint, and they've never had it challenged by either research or practical experience.


"Assault weapon" is an arbitrary and pejorative term. If you, or any body else, is serious about trying to stop mass shootings or militaristic weapons culture, then you'd come out and simply ban semi-automatic long guns. All of them. No exceptions.

Lever action, okay. Bolt action, okay. Pump action, okay. Break-action, okay. But no self-loading long guns.

No AR-15s, no Garands, no AK-47s, no SKSs, no BARs, no 742s, no FALs, no Mini-14s...

Bolt, break, lever, pump.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 02:17 AM

17. So the NRA isn't doctrinaire enough for you!

I'll really chastise the next guy from the NRA who phones up asking for money: they need to stand up for "Assault Weapons" more consistently- and tell the truth about Romney, or any other opportunistic sap (Mr President!) who publicly pines about banning our rights...

I am really glad that you pointed out this shortcoming, and I'll dutifully bring it to their attention.

Thanks for the tip. I want the NRA to consistently defend Semiautomatic Rifles at every chance- that's what we expect, that's what we should get.

Rest assured, this'll go straight to Wayne LaPierre.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 09:58 AM

19. Thanks to the internet, there will never be another "assault weapons ban".

 

Thanks to the internet, there will never be another "assault weapons ban".

Either it will get watered down to another cosmetic features ban that will easily be danced around by changing the cosmetics of the firearms, or they will go balls-to-the-wall and try to ban all semi-automatic guns.

And when they do that, the internet is going to be there full-bore pointing out that this:

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQgjl9uqxRldi49LVD6X8hyguuymGEB1eLwLng1QJ1iNXACwRGx2rfhwChy_g

Is functionally no different than this:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTFS-UeCuLNSKDUFuZPlDF42cBoe8l9wXcbDhCsFQUI2XGG3PkXTucgJWFD9A

No one is going to tolerate the banning of grandpa's semi-automatic deer rifle, and you can't ban semi-automatic rifles without doing that.

On top of this, the internet is going to be there pointing out that only about 300 people are killed every year by rifles of all kinds, let alone "assault rifles".

And that will be the end of that.

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