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Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:10 AM

More Gun Smuggling - South Carolina to New York

The New York Post reports

An ex-con who’ll be old enough to collect Social Security next month was among 13 suspects busted for running two East Harlem gun-smuggling rings that sold mainly to teenage buyers, authorities said yesterday.

Infamous gun runner Mitchell “Mickey’’ Collins, 64, was the main target of a sting operation dubbed “Mickey Mouse Trap,’’ said Police Commissioner Ray Kelly.

Collins and three cohorts eventually peddled 88 guns to the undercover, including an AK-47 that fetched $1,600 and a .32-caliber Smith and Wesson that went for $400, Kelly said.

One accomplice, Sampson Taylor, 34, would allegedly take a bus to South Carolina, stock up on firepower from pawn shops and gun dealers, and transport the illicit arsenal back to the city, where the weapons sold for a 100 percent profit.

A total of 10 came from South Carolina, and one was purchased in Virginia, prosecutors said.


Why do the gun-rights advocates always try to ridicule the fact that guns are smuggled from lax-gun-law states to places like New York? Doesn't it make sense?

I think the reason they try to make fun of this or downplay it in one way or another is because they see how bad it is for their cause. This touches on the exact point at which guns pass for the law-abiding to the criminals. In places like South Carolina that happens too easily.

If measures were taken to stop that, the legitimate gun owners would be slightly inconvenienced. This is what the can't accept.

What's your opinion? Has there ever been a more self-centered advocacy group than the gun-rights crowd?

What do you think? Please leave a comment.
Cross posted at Mikeb302000

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mikeb302000 Oct 2012 OP
trouble.smith Oct 2012 #1
mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #15
gejohnston Oct 2012 #22
mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #29
gejohnston Oct 2012 #41
holdencaufield Oct 2012 #2
former-republican Oct 2012 #8
Remmah2 Oct 2012 #28
aikoaiko Oct 2012 #3
ileus Oct 2012 #4
holdencaufield Oct 2012 #5
pipoman Oct 2012 #9
mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #16
holdencaufield Oct 2012 #21
mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #30
holdencaufield Oct 2012 #35
pipoman Oct 2012 #24
slackmaster Oct 2012 #6
pipoman Oct 2012 #7
mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #17
pipoman Oct 2012 #25
Remmah2 Oct 2012 #10
mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #18
gejohnston Oct 2012 #23
Remmah2 Oct 2012 #26
mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #31
holdencaufield Oct 2012 #32
beevul Oct 2012 #33
ileus Oct 2012 #36
Remmah2 Oct 2012 #38
ileus Oct 2012 #42
Remmah2 Oct 2012 #37
Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #11
PavePusher Oct 2012 #12
GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #13
mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #19
beevul Oct 2012 #34
-..__... Oct 2012 #14
holdencaufield Oct 2012 #20
Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #27
4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #40
4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #39
friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #43
4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #44
friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #45
Francis Marion Oct 2012 #46

Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:25 AM

1. so, criminals from New York travel to other states to break their laws

 

and then travel back to their own state hundreds of miles away and you blame the other states? Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

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Response to trouble.smith (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:28 AM

15. What's wrong about that?

Proper gun control is lacking in many states and they seed into the gun flow pipeline. It could be easily stopped with no damage to the sacred 2A rights of law-abiding citizens.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #15)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:57 AM

22. not according to the ATF

and those "source states". Here is a question, why South Carolina? Vermont and New Hampshire have laxer gun laws and are closer. Either way, they did not buy them from pawn shops or FFLs for two reasons:
One was a convicted felon, likely the rest are too and would not have passed a background check. Of course, they most likely had New York IDs, so even if they had clean records, FFLs would not sell to them because that would violate the Gun Control Act. Of course, a private sale would also violate the Gun Control Act.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #22)

Tue Oct 16, 2012, 03:19 AM

29. Probably these particular criminals had relatives in SC.

Lots of straw purchasers among the cousins down south.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #29)

Tue Oct 16, 2012, 11:36 AM

41. you have evidence of this?

did you call the ATF? Why the south? The average Floridian is from New York, Ohio, and Michigan. They are more likely to have relatives here.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:33 AM

2. Let me get this straight ...

 

... a criminal broke a law?

Have you told anyone about this? It's ground-breaking

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:03 AM

8. ha

 







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Response to former-republican (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:16 PM

28. It's a sad statement.

 

I do believe there are some people out there who buy firearms and they have no criminal intent. If they lived in another state they'd be perfectly legal. However due to draconian state laws they choose to be able to protect their family rather than let the crime technicians be responsible for the post-mortem reports. Hidden criminals my ass, they're people who've had their civil rights stolen from them. ie: NYC and Chicago.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:29 AM

3. Why do so many New Yorkers want to buy guns illegally?


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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:30 AM

4. Time for Stateline Check points.

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Response to ileus (Reply #4)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:45 AM

5. Catch those criminals ...

 

... bringing large sodas into New York

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Response to ileus (Reply #4)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:07 AM

9. I agree

If the state of New York wishes to have laws against anything that in the rest of the country is legal, it is their responsibility to monitor traffic coming in. I am sick of these guys in DC, NY, and Chicago complaining that violation of their laws is the responsibility of the rest of the country. How about either they handle their own enforcement or they come into line with the rest of us.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:29 AM

16. I think the rest of the country needs to

come into alignment with them.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #16)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:41 AM

21. Which country?

 

The USA or the country in which you live?

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #21)

Tue Oct 16, 2012, 03:20 AM

30. We're talking about the US.

Why don't you participate in the discussion instead of being a tedious pain in the ass trying to disrupt?

Wait, I know, it's because your argument is shit and this is all you got.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #30)

Tue Oct 16, 2012, 06:00 AM

35. Temper temper ...

 

Anger is never the answer.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #16)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 01:02 AM

24. I'm sure you do..lol..more likely come into line with the safe places like Mexico, eh?

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:56 AM

6. Basic gun safety should be taught in public schools

 

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:45 AM

7. " where the weapons sold for a 100 percent profit."

The only way this is possible is if they were stealing the guns, eh?

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Response to pipoman (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:30 AM

17. How do you know? nt

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 01:03 AM

25. Because I have at least an 8th grade comprehension of math..

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:49 AM

10. The solution is to have stiffer penalties for ex-cons w/guns and for strawbuyers.

 

Unfortunately anti-gun people are not interested in crime control they're interested in people control comrade.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:31 AM

18. Bullshit. You should use your head instead

of just mindlessly repeating tag lines you think are cool. They're not.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #18)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 01:00 AM

23. Actually, he is right to a large degree

the over emphasis on "gun violence" instead of "violence" is one indicator. Another are rants about "guns should not be fashion accessories" but the issue of public safety never gets mentioned. Of course, there is the "defending yourself equals vigilantism".

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #18)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 11:23 AM

26. The solution is to keep criminals contained, not to criminalize gun owners.

 

Anti-gun people don't have the balls to confront criminals. Anti-gun people are more concerned with the rights of criminals than the victims. The anti-gun view of the world is narrow minded and narcissist. They pretend to be do-gooders but really the intent is cowardly and selfish.

Feel free to send the crybaby alert now, the action validates my assumptions and observations.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #26)

Tue Oct 16, 2012, 03:24 AM

31. "Criminalize gun owners" is one of those bullshit catch phrases.

If proper gun control laws were in effect and it required that people be qualified to own guns we'd all be better off. Some of you would not qualify. That's not the same as criminalizing gun owners.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #31)

Tue Oct 16, 2012, 03:52 AM

32. Speaking of bullshite ...

 

... how many names / countries have you posted from today?

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #31)

Tue Oct 16, 2012, 03:52 AM

33. Wasn't it you that said "half" of the gun owners out there?

So hes at least half right, isn't he?


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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #31)

Tue Oct 16, 2012, 06:26 AM

36. kinda like "hidden criminal " ?

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Response to ileus (Reply #36)

Tue Oct 16, 2012, 09:25 AM

38. Your thoughts are all wrong comrade, report to the re-education center.

 

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #38)

Tue Oct 16, 2012, 03:21 PM

42. comrade, that's not Italian

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #31)

Tue Oct 16, 2012, 09:24 AM

37. But who is qualified to qualify people for firearm ownership?

 

The solutions have loop holes, oops another catch phrase.

I guess we could import micromanaging, fascist bureaucrats and form committees.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:41 AM

11. A .32?

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:25 PM

12. What laws does NY have, that other states don't, that would prevent this?

 

Do firearms sourced from NY ever show up in crimes in other states?

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 04:56 PM

13. Doubtful that they bought them from pawn shops.

Pawn shops have to have an FFL and do NICS checks. Likely those were private sales from local newspapers. Private sales aren't allowed to use the NICS system.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #13)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:32 AM

19. That's right and easily stopped. nt

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #19)

Tue Oct 16, 2012, 03:54 AM

34. Easily stopped, how, and by whom?

I'm sure you think you'd get away with it too, if it wasn't for us meddling kids.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 07:34 PM

14. "An ex-con who’ll be old enough to collect Social Security"

 

An ex-con, illegally transporting firearms across state lines?

Hopefully, this will be handled at the Federal level (with much stricter sentencing).

File multiple charges, and he'll never see the outside of a prison wall for the rest of his natural life.

The others... 21 years old, they'll be eligible for SS by the time they're released.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:39 AM

20. More self-centred?

 

"Has there ever been a more self-centered advocacy group than the gun-rights crowd? "

How about ... Solipsism for Me? A small, but vocal advocacy group.

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #20)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 11:40 AM

27. Well, I'm tired of hearing this slop.ntr tR

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 16, 2012, 09:50 AM

40. Isn't every advocacy group

 

by definition advocating for its own interests?

I don't expect pro-vegan advocacy groups to support both vegan and conventional farming.

But apparently pro-2nd amendment groups have to be anti-2nd amendment or else they're being selfish.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Tue Oct 16, 2012, 09:48 AM

39. It's all about easy access to guns

 

that's why Canada, with it's vast largely open border with many gun happy states is this continents Somalia.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #39)

Tue Oct 16, 2012, 07:37 PM

43. Not to mention the charnel house that is Vermont...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #43)

Tue Oct 16, 2012, 10:53 PM

44. I hear the UN is thinking about sending in a peacekeeping force to restore order there

 

and possibly distribute supplies come spring.



But spring is a long ways away.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #44)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 12:26 AM

45. As long as the supplies of Phish bootlegs and artisanal cheeses keep coming...

..the rest of the world will remain indifferent the human cost of Vermonts lax gun laws!

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 03:41 AM

46. Big deal.

Those people termed 'gunrunners' are just undocumented FFLs.

Besides, they're only trying to make a living for their families.

Seriously- this is a lesson we already learned a LONG time ago with Prohibition: Make 'it' illegal, and a black market will appear for 'it.' What's the news story here? The only people hurt are the law abiding majority who remain defenseless.

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