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Sat Sep 8, 2012, 04:56 PM

Guardian (UK): Mexican police arrest border agent's alleged killer in Fast and Furious case

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/08/mexican-arrest-killer-fast-furious


Mexican police arrest border agent's alleged killer in Fast and Furious case


Mexican police have arrested a suspect in the killing of US border patrol agent Brian Terry, whose murder highlighted a botched federal gun-smuggling string known as Operation Fast and Furious.

Jesus Leonel Sanchez Meza is one of the five men who allegedly killed Terry in December 2010 during a shootout in Arizona near the Mexican border. One is on trial in Arizona and the other three remain fugitives. Sanchez was arrested Thursday in Sonora state.

Two guns found at the scene were bought by a member of a gun-smuggling ring that was being monitored in the Fast and Furious investigation. Critics have knocked US federal authorities for allowing informants to walk away from Phoenix-area gun shops with weapons, rather than immediately arresting suspects.

In Operation Fast and Furious and at least three earlier probes during the administration of President George W. Bush, agents in Arizona employed a risky tactic called gun-walking allowing low-level "straw" buyers in gun-trafficking networks to leave with loads of weapons purchased at gun shops. The goal was to track the guns to major weapons traffickers and drug cartels in order to bring cases against kingpins who had long eluded prosecution under the prevailing strategy of arresting low-level purchasers of guns who were suspected of buying them for others....


The stated goal was noble enough. Trouble is, the nitwits running Fast and Furious made no provision to actually track the guns sold...

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Reply Guardian (UK): Mexican police arrest border agent's alleged killer in Fast and Furious case (Original post)
friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 OP
oneshooter Sep 2012 #1
DanTex Sep 2012 #2
gejohnston Sep 2012 #3
DanTex Sep 2012 #4
gejohnston Sep 2012 #5
DanTex Sep 2012 #6
oneshooter Sep 2012 #7
friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #10
gejohnston Sep 2012 #8
friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #9
JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2012 #11

Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Sat Sep 8, 2012, 06:07 PM

1. EVERYBODY knows that it was only a failed sting operation!!!!!

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Sat Sep 8, 2012, 06:19 PM

2. Ahh, the conspiracy theorists are back!

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Response to DanTex (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 8, 2012, 06:26 PM

3. can you point to any fact that Guardian got wrong?

from an unbiased source? Funny you didn't rant about the right wing source. Oh wait, it's center left.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #3)

Sat Sep 8, 2012, 06:29 PM

4. The Guardian isn't pushing conspiracy theories. Only the NRA bots are doing that.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #4)

Sat Sep 8, 2012, 06:34 PM

5. what conspiracy theory is that?

During Operation Fast and Furious, many of the weapons weren't tracked and wound up at crime scenes in Mexico and the US, including that of the Terry shooting.

In July, U.S. authorities made a rare disclosure linked to the botched gun-smuggling probe, revealing identities and requesting the public's help in capturing the four fugitives accused in the shooting death of Terry.


I don't recall anyone here claiming it was Holder's or anyone in the WH's idea. The only ones who said that are Alex Jones and some VPC bots claiming we did.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #5)

Sat Sep 8, 2012, 06:53 PM

6. LOL. You know the one!

Guardian:
(F&F was a) botched gun-smuggling probe

oneshooter:
EVERYBODY knows that it was only a failed sting operation!!!!!


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Response to DanTex (Reply #6)

Sat Sep 8, 2012, 07:08 PM

7. Hey, I am just repeating your favorite haters mantra.

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Response to oneshooter (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:56 AM

10. He knows *very* well about the "failed sting" schtick...

...as he particpated in at least one thread where Hoyt kept banging on about it:

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/11727809

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Response to DanTex (Reply #6)

Sat Sep 8, 2012, 07:10 PM

8. If you have some incompetent

local chief come up with a unworkable idea, like have no means of tracking them, and then try to retaliate against the whistleblowers, botched is a bit of an understatement. It is more accurate to say, "half baked plan dreamed up by someone who has no business with a badge".
If you want to read something in someone else' post, it's up to you.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #6)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:53 AM

9. He's actually goofing on a certain exiled participants repeated assertions...

...which you damn well know about, as you particpated in at least one thread where he stated it:

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/11727809


And if that wasn't enough:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=483762&mesg_id=483909

The ATF tried a sting to help ease guns going to Mexico from America. It didn't work as planned



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x483762#483807


Stings fail all the time. This one has already led to indictment of 20 gun criminals and more are likely. Could it have been handled better? Yes.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/117212578#post20

20. Naw, I'm arguing this was a sting -- if it had worked, Most of us would have cheered.



http://upload.democraticunderground.com/11727809#post40

40. I applaud the ATF for trying a sting to stop guns flowing to Mexico.




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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:18 PM

11. Fast and Furious guns found at the scene

I haven't seen any claims that the Fast and Furious guns were used in the killing. Or any indication that the Fast and Furious operation was in any way a cause of Brian Terry's shooting.

In terms of arming the gangs and cartels of Mexico, I have a feeling that Fast and Furious didn't amount to much at all. A handful of guns among thousands, or tens of thousands. A stupid operation, but not a game-changer.

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