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Tue Sep 4, 2012, 05:42 AM

Don’t wimp out on gun-control platform

National Rifle Association president David Keene’s comments last week that the NRA sees President Barack Obama as the “most anti-gun president in modern times,” surely sounds like a joke to anyone honestly assessing the record. Obama hasn’t proposed any anti-gun legislation during his first term, and his talk about gun control has been almost non-existent these last four years.

And when he has talked about the matter, it is often not a full-throated push for specific laws to deal with some of the problems but rather an acknowledgement that “more can be done” and that the country needs a “new discussion” or “an honest and open conversation” about firearms.

That call for an open and honest conversation on firearms is part of the draft 2012 Democratic National Convention gun control platform. As we’ve said before, platforms are mostly the work of party activists and aren’t binding for the party’s standard-bearer. Yet platforms do show a party’s values.

For some Democrats, this gun-control platform is falling short. Set for a final vote of delegates this week, the platform is being reamed as being too timid.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/09/03/3501421/dont-wimp-out-on-gun-control-platform.html#storylink=cpy

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 06:40 AM

1. The idea of having “an honest and open conversation” about firearms" is reasonable. ...

Unfortunately for those who strongly support gun control it would require "honesty."

For example an honest discussion of another assault weapons ban (which is mentioned in the Democratic platform) would have to admit that rifles that would qualify as assault weapons are basically no different mechanically than common semi-automatic rifles commonly used by hunters and target shooters for decades and are rarely used to commit murder. They are not assault rifles used by military forces in many nations which have the capacity for fully automatic or burst fire. They may look very similar to such weapons but are merely crippled clones.

The side that supports gun control might point out that a semi-automatic rifle with a 20 or 30 round magazine is possibly more deadly in the hands of an experienced shooter than a fully automatic rifle. That is indeed a fair point but rarely mentioned by those who support such a ban.

However "black rifles" are rarely used to commit violence and they are indeed used for target shooting and hunting. Any honest debate should recognize this fact.

Also an honest debate would require that the gun control side should admit that the current level of firearm violence has deceased to levels last seen in the late 60s.

I feel it would be beneficial to better enforce existing firearm laws and to increase penalties for the straw purchase of firearms and the smuggling of such weapons. We could also improve the NICS background check system by requiring states to more timely input data about those who have a criminal record or have been adjudged as having severe mental issues. This is the current law but might require the federal government to provide the necessary funds to the states to accomplish this task.

I also belive that it would be very difficult but possible to require a background check for all sales of firearms including private transactions if the cost was reasonable. This would do far more than merely eliminating the "gun show loophole."

I feel that in order to have a productive discussion on the issue of gun control it is necessary for both sides to stop insulting each other. Secondly both sides have to be willing to compromise. Unfortunately compromise is a lost art in our nation.

We can make headway on reducing gun violence in our nation if both sides work with each other. Sadly I feel that this is unlikely at this time.







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Response to spin (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 07:49 AM

3. To you honesty by gun control advocates is to adopt you gunner propaganda.

We have a right to disagree with you. You do not set the rules. Get over yourself!

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:04 AM

5. what spin said was empirical fact based on FBI UCR and simply

and basic understand how the weapon operates. You are saying gun control advocates wants to create their own facts as well.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:14 PM

10. You don't set the rules either.

 

Get over yourself.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:32 PM

11. Honest debate requires that you refute the evidence presented with better facts and evidence.

 

Thus far you have utterly failed to do so.


Not a winning strategy...

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 07:27 AM

2. Other things the author of the article wants:

He wants:

A ban on large quanities of online ammo sales.
Reporting to law enforcement of bulk sales of ammo.
Federal licensing or registration of gun owners.


Not gonna happen. The platform goes too far in appeasing the gun controllers already.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 08:34 AM

4. You must want Obama to lose

 

Because in a close race, gun control is a losing proposition for Democrats. There is already a horrible misconception that Democrats are all a bunch of gun grabbers and the only party that will look out for gun owners is the repubs.

There are so many problems with that perception that I won't get into them now.

President Obama needs to focus on jobs, food prices and keeping us out of war in Iran if he wants to win. All gun-control will do is help hand the White House, the House and the Senate over to the repubs.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 10:21 AM

6. Democracy is a wonderful thing.

 

The anti 2A people will have to learn that the pro 2A people have an equal voice. Statistics and evidence show that the past laws have not worked and it's time to stop including bogus crap in the party platform. There are important issues to be addressed.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 11:00 AM

7. Don't wimp out

and demand the highest quality red meat for the most dependable and least well informed segment of the base.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 11:03 AM

8. Support for the "AW" ban is as misguided as the GOP platform's plank on personhood for zygotes

 

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:08 PM

9. Amen, Brother Slackmaster!

 

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