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Mon Sep 3, 2012, 09:14 PM

Two Texas cities, including Dallas, named Top 10 best places to raise kids

Link requires subscription. Sorry about that. http://www.dallasnews.com/lifestyles/headlines/20120903-two-texas-cities-including-dallas-named-top-10-best-places-to-raise-kids.ece


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Rent.com surveyed parents about their attitudes on raising kids in the city. Taking these parental concerns into consideration, Rent.com has chosen 10 cities that stand out as great places to raise kids.

Rent.com evaluated the top 50 rental markets based on the cost of living, violent crime rate and graduation rate, in order to identify 10 cities where parents can raise a child with peace of mind. Cost of living, crime rate and graduation rate were ranked against the national average, and crime rate was weighted double relative to other statistics, based on the overwhelming response from parents that safety is a top priority. The following places are all wonderful choices for parents looking to raise their kids in the city (not ranked in order):

Austin, Texas
Columbus, Ohio
Dallas, Texas
Denver, Colo.
Omaha, Neb.
Phoenix, Ariz.
Portland, Ore.
San Diego, Calif.
San Jose, Calif
Seattle, Wash.


Frequently we hear from antis that they will never come to Texas, or that Texas would be a horrible place to raise kids based on our gun-friendly laws. We hear the same stuff from antis about other gun-friendly states such as Arizona.

I believe that Rent.com is neutral about states gun laws so their rating would not be directly influenced by gun laws. However they did give crime rates double ranking due to parent's stated concerns about child safety. All states except California are shall-issue states. So being a gun-friendly state doesn't seem to hurt an objective appraisal of their livability for kids.

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Reply Two Texas cities, including Dallas, named Top 10 best places to raise kids (Original post)
GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 OP
exboyfil Sep 2012 #1
safeinOhio Sep 2012 #2
GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #4
safeinOhio Sep 2012 #10
GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #19
safeinOhio Sep 2012 #22
PavePusher Sep 2012 #6
safeinOhio Sep 2012 #9
GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #15
safeinOhio Sep 2012 #18
GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #20
Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #31
MotherPetrie Sep 2012 #3
GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #5
safeinOhio Sep 2012 #13
GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #21
safeinOhio Sep 2012 #23
GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #25
safeinOhio Sep 2012 #28
PavePusher Sep 2012 #7
oneshooter Sep 2012 #8
PavePusher Sep 2012 #11
safeinOhio Sep 2012 #12
gejohnston Sep 2012 #14
safeinOhio Sep 2012 #16
GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #17
rrneck Sep 2012 #24
Skittles Sep 2012 #26
Confusious Sep 2012 #27
CreekDog Sep 2012 #29
4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #30

Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 09:21 PM

1. My brother in law and his family

lived in a northern suburb in Dallas for five years. They hated it. They have since moved to Iowa City, IA and love it (they are both Iowans). In order of cities in which they lived: Iowa City, Boston, St. Louis, and Dallas.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 09:27 PM

2. Because it is said frequently

"Texas would be a horrible place to raise kids based on our gun-friendly laws.", could you post a link to where any member of DU ever said such a thing. Being said so frequently said, you should have no problem pointing out 30,20 or even once it was said here. If not, isn't a statement like that called a "straw man"?

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 09:47 PM

4. Search function only show thread titles.

I have run across the sentiment by antis in responses inside of threads, usually not in their post title. I haven't kept a list, but just for you I will start keeping such a list and in a few months will post it, with this thread as a reminder for you.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #4)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:07 PM

10. Search function on regular google will seek

exact quotes within. "Texas would be a horrible place to raise kids based on our gun-friendly laws." When that quote in put in, it only leads to YOUR post, even though it is not in title of your post. I call "pants on fire", straw man and completely made up bull crap.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #10)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:19 PM

19. Regional bigotry avoer guns has been common around here.

And now you are trying to pretend it didn't exist?

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #19)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:31 PM

22. I said nothing about regional bigotry over guns or put down Texas.

Every state in the union gets put down at some time or another. The only time I ever saw hate for a state's gun laws being to liberal was about Florida, and I didn't hear a lot of whining like you are doing. I have heard much more bigotry about gun laws directed toward Chicago and DC, yet never hear them whine like you either. We can see where the real regional bigotry is directed, toward large cities with many black people that vote for politicians that represent their views.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 09:50 PM

6. This is pretty close:

 

It must be horrible to live in Texas if you aren't an asshole.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=67282

Similar stuff gets said about Texas quite frequently here on D.U.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #6)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:03 PM

9. That is nothing like...

"Texas would be a horrible place to raise kids based on our gun-friendly laws."

Kind of like republicans twisting Obamas words on "you didn't build it".

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:30 PM

15. The basic topic of that thread was about gun-rights.

In context that post was a slam at Texas, based on gun rights.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #15)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:19 PM

18. The basic quote in the post by you was

"Texas would be a horrible place to raise kids based on our gun-friendly laws." The poster said nothing about gun rights in the states he liked and didn't like. The states he liked, like Iowa have "shall issue" laws too. Where did he mention gun rights in his choice of states? Actually, Texas is much more restrictive than Vermont and that state was not even mentioned. With your paranoid logic, it should way our rate Texas. Your bullshit post said it is "frequently said" which turns out to be a big fat lie. It is never said on the internet, let alone DU, except the one time YOU said it.

So, did you run a sub 3 hour marathon too?

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #18)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:21 PM

20. The context was about guns.

Are you trying to pretend that regional bigotry doesn't exist here?

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:14 PM

31. Oh come on. Have you forgotten Zimmerman already?

 

How many times did I hear about people saying they wouldn't visit Florida anymore?

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 09:35 PM

3. A Republican-run state that continually elects fucking assholes? No thanks.

 

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 09:48 PM

5. The discussion is about guns, not other issues. N/T

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #5)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:12 PM

13. Looks more like this post is about

making up stuff.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #13)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:23 PM

21. I will keep a list of all the regional bigoty over guns posts over guns that I come across.

In a few months I will post and remind you.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #21)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:34 PM

23. I'll also keep a list

of regional bigotry toward Chicago and DC posted by you and your friends. Are you sure you want to go there?

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #23)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:32 AM

25. Yes. Chicago, NYC, & DC didn't make the list of best cities.

Dallas did. Eight of the cities on the list are in gun friendly states.

Remember, my point is that Rental.com (Assumed to be gun neutral) placed double emphasis on safety, yet still rated eight of our cities as tops.

I

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #25)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 07:23 AM

28. Just remember that

you make up crap about what the "anti" folks frequently say. Now you show regional bigotry toward toward northern towns and states.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 09:59 PM

8. And if Ann Richards had signed the CHL bill

She would have won the next election cycle, not G Bush.

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Response to oneshooter (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:08 PM

11. Exactly.

 

What the hell was she thinking?

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Response to oneshooter (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:10 PM

12. Just like if John Kasich had voted for the AWB he

would not have been elected governor. Oh wait a minute, he was.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #12)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:27 PM

14. If Ohio didn't have voter suppression tactics

and easily hacked voting machines for some electronic voting machines.......................

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:13 PM

16. or if the NRA didn't change gun banning

Kasich's grade from an F to a B- just before the election?

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:45 PM

24. Thats nice and everything

but I wouldn't live in Texas if I had to shoot my way to the street to make a beer run where I live now. I wouldn't even consider it until they put tail gunners on bread trucks.

But I get your point though.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:49 AM

26. I've lived in both those cities - 37 years

guess what: not everyone down here is a paranoid asshole

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 04:06 AM

27. "attitudes" really doesn't mean much

My attitude about Tucson was that it was relatively crime free.

Until I got shot in the leg.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:03 PM

29. You should use primary source data to verify your hypothesis, because you turn out to be wrong

There are 10 cities on that list.

based on 2010 data:

Dallas has the 2nd highest violent crime rate on that list of cities.
Dallas has the 2nd highest murder rate on that list.
Dallas has the 5th highest Property Crime rate on that list.

For what it's worth:
San Diego and San Jose have the two lowest violent crime rates on the list.
San Diego and San Jose have the two lowest murder rates on this list.
San Diego and San Jose have the two lowest property crime rates on this list.

And just for fun, compared Dallas and these cities to NYC and LA:
Both LA and NYC had substantially lower violent crime rates, far lower murder rates, and far lower property crime rates.

City // Violent Crime Index // Murder // Property Crime Index

Austin 475.8 4.8 5754.8
Columbus 705.2 12.2 6490.3
Dallas 701.0 11.3 4907.1
Denver 542.1 3.6 3405.2
Omaha 487.1 3730.7
Phoenix 518.1 7.6 3973.1
Portland 540.6 3.9 5030.4
San Diego 427.6 2.2 2341.4
San Jose 331.4 2.1 2275.8
Seattle 566.8 3.1 5350.9

Not on the list, but included for reference:

New York City 581.7 6.4 1674.8
Los Angeles 559.2 7.6 2335.0
Chicago NA 15.2 4236.4

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:07 PM

30. California is smiled upon by the Brady campaign

 

they have very strict gun laws.

For some reason that doesn't translate to being particularly safe.

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