Massad Ayoob on Stand Your Ground Laws

Speaking at the Cato Institute (Founders: Edward Crane and Charles G. Koch) of all things.

of Massad Ayoob and his views.

I suggest you start with In The Gravest Extreme: The Role of the Firearm in Personal Protection. I think you would be very surprised at his stance of firearms use and law.

Just another guy who profits from guns, continuing to promote them and kissing right wing rear at Cato Institute.

you are open to discussion and compromise


In another thread today you said you do support guns in the home for defense- generally. Have you changed your views in the last hour or so? Or is it you support guns like the old DC law- they are fine as long as they are disassembled, inoperative and never be used in any circumstance whatsoever?

Guns in public for most part is not good for society.

I'm for really responsible gun ownership, not what is promoted by right wing gun cultists and those who profit from gun proliferation.

then you would like Massad's views on that. Responsibility is something he constantly hammers home in his writings.

On other points you would probably find few agreements.

you know many courses spend more time in the class learning when not to shoot than on the range...

I suppose they could have called it the Please Mr. Criminal This Is a Real Gun With Real Bullets And If I Shoot You It would Make Me a Bad Person In Addition To Giving Your Mother Stress Since This Was Going To Be The Last Crime You Ever Commit So I will Wait Until The Count of Three Unless That Is Inconvenient For You Then We Can Discuss How Much Time You Need To Consider Stopping Your Assault On Me Due To My Superior Firepower And Fighting Skills Institute.
Much more PC but a far less catchy acronym. It is upfront truthful; guns are lethal force.

He founded LFI to teach people when they can use deadly force to defend themselves.

cop, and self defense expert. Given his name and ancestry, I doubt he would be popular at many tea party rallies and other right wing venues.

they don't believe any of the shit they produce, but saves them money in taxes and makes them money in corporate welfare.

Massad F. Ayoob (born 20 July 1948) is an internationally-known firearms and self-defense instructor. He has taught police techniques and civilian self-defense to both law enforcement officers and private citizens in numerous venues since 1974. He was the director of the Lethal Force Institute (LFI) in Concord, New Hampshire from 1981 to 2009. He now directs the Massad Ayoob Group (MAG). Ayoob has appeared as an expert witness in several trials. He has served as a part-time police officer in New Hampshire since 1972 and holds the rank of Captain in the Grantham, New Hampshire police department.

Ayoob has authored several books and more than 1,000 articles on firearms, combat techniques, self-defense, and legal issues, and has served in an editorial capacity for Guns Magazine, American Handgunner, Gun Week, Guns & Ammo and Combat Handguns. Since 1995, he has written self-defense and firearms related articles for Backwoods Home Magazine. He also has a featured segment on the television show Personal Defense TV, which airs on the Sportsman Channel in the US.
While Ayoob has been in the courtroom as a testifying police officer, expert witness, and police prosecutor, he is not an attorney; he is, however, a former Vice Chairman of the Forensic Evidence Committee of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers (NACDL), and is believed to be the only non-attorney ever to hold this position. His published work was cited by the Violence Policy Center in their amicus curiae brief filed with the U.S. Supreme Court in the District of Columbia v. Heller case, and he himself filed a declaration in another amicus brief in this case. His course for attorneys, titled "The Management of the Lethal Force/Deadly Weapons Case", was, according to Jeffrey Weiner (former president of NACDL), "the best course for everything you need to know but are never taught in law school."
Ayoob remains an internationally prominent law enforcement officer training instructor. Since 1987, he has served as chairman of the Firearms Committee of the American Society of Law Enforcement Trainers (ASLET). He also serves on the Advisory Board of the International Law Enforcement Educators’ and Trainers’ Association, and is an instructor at the National Law Enforcement Training Center.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massad_Ayoob

Or does your personal bias prevent you from even considering his point of view?

This guy just looks like another loser profiting by appealing to those who can't walk out the front door without a gun or two strapped to his body.

Also, you apparently didn't read his bio I posted. Surprise surprise.

Might as well let Teddie Nugent, NRA, Stawicki, Zimmerman, Holmes, etc., set public policy.

If you had actually read what was provided for you



I made it easier to find

if you are not into them. Being knowledgeable I assume would be a dis qualifier as it would prove you are into guns.

Do you believe in the same criteria for medical school teachers and other subjects that only those who don't know should be heard?

Anyone who wants a guns should automatically be disqualified from owning one.

Whatever you do, don't watch the video.

You might end up learning something.

That could be painful for you.

because you don't like the truth? Ayoob is a highly respected expert on self defense and other gun issues. What, if any, are your credentials to refute him? I mean, except your biases.

Apparently others thought his post was over-the-top, even for the Gungeon.

He's highly respected in all circles, gun rights and gun control venues. He's been cited by the VPC as well as the NRA, both on the extreme opposites of the 2A.

I'm not going to fall for crud from the NRA, gun cultists, manufacturers, gun marketers, gun store owners, those who covet guns, etc., as to what is good for society as far as guns are concerned.

And I didn't ask for a comparison to my creds, I asked what yours were to refute or disprove what he said, quit beating around the bush and show us your creds.

Just change "liberal" to "gun owner" and your post looks exactly the same.

that can refute or disprove what Ayoob is saying?

color the sky is. No answer.

I think I'll just ignore what he says. Life's to short to argue with someone like him/her.

I'm pro choice, for single payer, for gay marriage, for a progressive tax structure. I believe in a strong social safety net and think we should put more money into education. On here I spend most of my time arguing against people like you so most of my posts reside here. Does that meet your "approval"?

Even more than usual. No need to be such a grumpy gus.

but his post isn't any more insulting then the 100's a lot of pro controllers get away with daily. I guess its what you believe in that counts.

And in other news he's one of the best sources for people that carry a safety device on their person to protect life, family, and property there is.