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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:55 PM

Basic questions

5- Are there hard statistics from multiple demographically diverse areas showing that more guns cause more crime?

4- How hard is it to understand and correctly use the terms "magazine" and "clip"?

3- How does a bayonet lug make a rifle more deadly?

2- The media misuses the term "assault rifle" often enough that I sometimes think that they must be getting paid to do so. Who's footing that bill?

1- Is anyone bothered by the term "control" in gun-control?

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discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 OP
ileus Aug 2012 #1
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #3
rurallib Aug 2012 #2
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #4
rurallib Aug 2012 #9
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #10
Hoyt Aug 2012 #5
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #8
Jenoch Aug 2012 #13
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #14
Hoyt Aug 2012 #15
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #16
Travis_0004 Aug 2012 #19
Jenoch Aug 2012 #17
Hoyt Aug 2012 #18
rDigital Aug 2012 #20
Hoyt Aug 2012 #21
rDigital Aug 2012 #22
Hoyt Aug 2012 #23
rDigital Aug 2012 #26
Jenoch Aug 2012 #27
Hoyt Aug 2012 #28
Jenoch Aug 2012 #29
Hoyt Aug 2012 #30
Hoyt Aug 2012 #24
rDigital Aug 2012 #25
rrneck Aug 2012 #31
DanTex Aug 2012 #6
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #7
DanTex Aug 2012 #11
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #12

Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:45 PM

1. It's not about guns...it's about control.

most blow asses don't know the difference between assault and "assault" rifle.

Most also probably don't understand the difference between automatic rifle and machine gun for that matter.


The mag v clip thing is kind of a regional slang IMHO. I was raised to call any magazine a clip...it's only since the innerwebs rolled around that I've started using the proper term for each.


I know more guns cause more crime I read it often...



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Response to ileus (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:12 PM

3. re: "...it's about control"

Sure it is. However, my point from a prior post is that control is a myth: http://www.democraticunderground.com/117257157

As far as knowing the difference between "automatic rifle" (sometimes called sub-machine gun) and "machine gun", I know but machine gun is used so much less by the media. Not that I give them much credit for that because I believe they have a list of buzz words they like to work in. Machine gun just sounds so 1930's.

I have no problem with individuals using the term "clip" and "magazine" mostly interchangeably but reading it from a news source just smacks of ignorance. People trust the media. I don't much care that maybe the Weekly World News wouldn't know the difference between an AK-47 and an AC-47 but I wouldn't bet much money on the networks knowing either.


I figure that common sense gun control figured out that more guns must lead to more crime.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:24 PM

2. Looks like a push poll. I get those now and then.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:14 PM

4. Maybe it's...

...called a "push poll" because it pushes one to think and investigate.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 07:21 PM

9. maybe it is leading to certain answers.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #9)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 07:29 PM

10. answers

yes

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:57 PM

5. Remix.

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Basic questions

5- Are there hard statistics from multiple demographically diverse areas showing that crime would increase with less guns? In fact, do we know how low crime rates might fall if there were a whole lot less guns?

4- Who cares whether someone calls it a "magazine" or "clip"? -- both feed bullets to chamber if you blast away at someone. In fact, why do gun fanatics think someone can't express an opinion about guns in public, or the proliferation of guns in general, just because they haven't wasted time learning weapon nomenclature.

3- Why are you attracted to military/tactical type weapons, this is not a war zone?

2- Why do most people understand what an "assault rifle" is, but gun nuts? In fact, why are pro-gunners attracted to such weapons?

1- We control a lot of bad habits and activities like smoking in public; child porn; bigotry; explosives; fireworks; knives/swords in public; vehicle speed; pollution; noise; etc. -- Why not yahoos walking around in public with guns, or folks who have a cache of weapons in their home?


There are more questions about people and their guns, but wouldn't want to insult anyone.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:33 PM

8. re: "We control a lot of bad habits..."

"We" have numerous laws, restrictions and prohibitions. Since we also have numerous criminals, malcontents and non-conformists, we don't really "control" those things.


"...wouldn't want to insult anyone." Too late.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:45 PM

13. And yet most

people do not know what an assault rifle is judging from the comments I've read on-line in response to the tragedy in Colorado. The last time an assault rifle was used in a crime in the United States was the infamous 1997 North Hollywood bank robbery and shootout in which the only people killed were the two bank robbers.

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #13)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:51 PM

14. We enthusiasts have so many...

...different terms it's difficult to keep them straight. Assault rifle, submachine gun, carbine... my head just spins sometimes.

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #13)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:59 PM

15. Personally, this is also an assault weapon fired by pro-gunner out for family sport.

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Semi-autos are just as deadly as full auto. You guys just like your guns looking like military tactical weapons, it gets those baser hormones flowing or something.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #15)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 09:14 PM

16. Hmmm...

Looks a bit like a Glock18.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 09:01 PM

19. I think its probably not a glock 18. From the way hes holding it he may be bump firing.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #15)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 12:24 AM

17. I believe

few people would agree with your statement that a semi-auto rifle is just as deadly as a fully automatic rifle. The fact that an automatic weapon discharges so many more bullets in a short period of time is the basic reason why they are so highly regulated. They are almost never used in crimes in the U.S. but the general public is mostly unaware of that fact because there is so much disinformation about guns in the media, both intentionally and unintentionally.

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #17)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 12:41 AM

18. Semi-autos kill plenty - ask Zimmerman, Stawicki, Holmes, etc.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #18)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 12:47 AM

20. Agent Provocateur?

 

People kill. Would you blame the Mona Lisa on DaVinci's paintbrush? It must have been a REALLY good brush to make that painting.


Not that it matters, but Zimmerman only fired on shot and it was from a handgun. It might as well have been a muzzle loader because he only fired one shot.

Research before you let the garbage floweth free.

Everyone knows the Right Wingers love their guns, and a majority of Dems on this forum, including myself, seem to possess and enjoy firearms as well. It's apolitical. Gun control is the third rail in politics right now and for the foreseeable future. We'll always have the usual hoplophobic loons supporting gun bans(Feinstein, Schumer, Lautenberg), but they'd get elected in their districts even if they lit a live kitten on fire. Our last Dem governor was one of the strongest Pro-2A supporters I've ever known, Ted Strickland. We miss him.

Tomorrow, I'm going to go shoot guns with my parents and I encourage others to do the same. Then, I'm going to post a flyer for my concealed carry class at the local gun store and get more law abiding citizens to take responsibility for their own safety. If you're in Ohio, you're welcome to attend.

Good luck with the imminent impending unstoppable gun ban. Keep fighting the good fight.

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Response to rDigital (Reply #20)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 01:19 PM

21. Guns empower cowards. Zimmy never would have gotten out of his truck without a gun.

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I've heard every stupid right wing talking point many times.

You guys gonna practice shooting people with silhouette targets?

Sorry, I'm against carrying in public, and can defend myself without a gun. Nor do I profit off guns.

Enjoy your guns, maybe someday you'll grow up.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #21)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 01:25 PM

22. Cool story, bro.

 

Firearms favor the physically weaker party.

You can try to deride any valid conclusion with the term "talking point" which you seem to think is a slur. Your relabeling efforts are seen by all and found wanting.

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Response to rDigital (Reply #22)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 04:18 PM

23. Are you a poor pitiful "weak party" without your gun? Maybe you need to grow up, bro.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #23)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 04:33 PM

26. Cool ad hominem, bro.

 

Bring an argument next time. No matter how bad it is.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #21)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 12:46 AM

27. Were you ok

with guns when you were a robber?

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #27)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 12:53 AM

28. Had I been a robber, I would have definitely gone after guns. There's a big market for the things

among some easy marks.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #28)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 12:31 PM

29. I read on another

thread that you admitted to being a 'former' robber. Were you being truthful then or now?

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #29)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 01:49 PM

30. I was trying to be funny then, quite difficult with people who strap guns on to venture into public.

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Response to rDigital (Reply #20)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 04:20 PM

24. Not on the DU forum. Maybe in this little group where pro-gun crowd has been banished.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #24)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 04:31 PM

25. Cool story, bro

 

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #24)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 02:05 PM

31. I can post anywhere I want. So there. Nyah. nt

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 05:04 PM

6. Answers:

1 - yes
2 - who cares
3 - it doesn't
4 - false premise
5 - not me

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Response to DanTex (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:29 PM

7. Thanks for the reply

Let's start with #1, "Is anyone bothered by the term "control" in gun-control?". You answered: "Yes". What bothers you about the term control?

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #7)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:29 PM

11. Sorry, I got the order backwards.

5 - yes
4 - who cares
3 - it doesn't
2 - false premise
1 - not me

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Response to DanTex (Reply #11)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:44 PM

12. moving on...

...to #2, The media misuses the term "assault rifle" often enough that I sometimes think that they must be getting paid to do so. Who's footing that bill? You answered: "false premise".

And I grant you, it is. However, we all have our pet peeves and that's one of mine. Further, while maybe not this issue, would equivalent issues, particularly errors in terminology bother you?

ETA: BTW sorry about that reverse order thing.

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