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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 03:20 PM

DonP (3,719 posts)

Chicago: Teen dies days after cops say he was shot during home invasion ...

Once in a while a burglar is shot in Chicago. This time he was shot in the back of the head by his own dumbass gang who will now all be charged with Felony Murder in addition to the B&E charges.

I'm gonna take a wild guess and assume the group aren't NRA members and never had any of that gun safety training that was being offered.

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A 16-year-old boy died today, four days after he was shot during a home invasion authorities say he was involved in. Douglas Bufford, 16, of the 7200 block of South East End Avenue, was declared dead at John H. Stroeger Hospital at 1:55 p.m. today, according to the Cook County medical examiner's office.

Police said between four or five males forced their way into the home and announced a robbery, police said.

One of the group accidentally shot a fellow attacker, 16, in the back of the head, police said.

The homeowner wasn't injured, according to authorities.

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-teen-dies-after-being-shot-during-home-invasion-20120729,0,7497992.story

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Reply Chicago: Teen dies days after cops say he was shot during home invasion ... (Original post)
 DonP Aug 2012 OP
LineReply Smells like BS.
 Marinedem Aug 2012 #1
LineLineReply I read the 2nd city cop blog on the incident
 DonP Aug 2012 #2
LineLineLineReply Unfuckinbelievable.
 Marinedem Aug 2012 #3
LineLineLineReply Unarmed homeowner successfully defends himself. Good outcome.
 Hoyt Aug 2012 #7
LineLineLineLineReply That would be a rather odd interpretation of the events.
 ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #8
LineLineLineLineLineReply He was unhurt. What's wrong, would you be happier if he shot another one or two?
 Hoyt Aug 2012 #9
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply Yes, good outcome. But
 ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #10
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Yes it is. By standing his ground without a gun he prevailed.
 Hoyt Aug 2012 #11
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Are we reading the same article?
 ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #12
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Look, homeowner took action before and during invasion. Maybe not action gun culture would take,
 Hoyt Aug 2012 #13
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply We are obviously not reading the same article.
 ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #14
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Lao Tzu taught
 gejohnston Aug 2012 #15
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply I dunno, but apparently he has powers that would get him big bucks from James Randi...
 friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #16
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Rule #1 for keeping your sanity in a gun thread
 xxenderwigginxx Aug 2012 #34
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply I'm always happy when victims of violence crime shoot and preferably kill the perpetrators.
 spayneuter Aug 2012 #17
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Ah, so you are judge, juror, executioner, and a tough guy with a gun or two?
 Hoyt Aug 2012 #18
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply If someone is trying to harm me or my family, goddamn right.
 spayneuter Aug 2012 #19
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply "14 guns" -- damn that's really something.
 Hoyt Aug 2012 #20
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply It's actually a quite small collection, but I'm not about to apologize for it to you.
 spayneuter Aug 2012 #23
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply That's right, 14 is a small number for those who abuse guns in our society.
 Hoyt Aug 2012 #24
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply It is far smaller than those who abuse pretty much every other thing on the planet.
 spayneuter Aug 2012 #25
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Like others, I think the common view of guns among gun culture is bad for country.
 Hoyt Aug 2012 #27
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Well, at least you've gotten peripherally specific. Would you be willing to answer a few questions?
 spayneuter Aug 2012 #28
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply If you do some prep research so that I don't have to answer each of those question from scratch.
 Hoyt Aug 2012 #29
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply You consider me a flat earther, birther or worse?
 spayneuter Aug 2012 #30
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply God, you guys make it difficult. Debating you guys is like arguing with birthers.
 Hoyt Aug 2012 #31
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply now you know how I feel debating with antis
 gejohnston Aug 2012 #32
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply But, what you don't understand is a semi-auto is just about as lethal.
 Hoyt Aug 2012 #35
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply a katana is even more lethal at short range
 gejohnston Aug 2012 #36
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Fine, you need to leave that at home too.
 Hoyt Aug 2012 #37
LineLineNew Reply lol
 xxenderwigginxx Aug 2012 #33
LineReply Tragic waste of life
 slackmaster Aug 2012 #4
LineReply bet he got his gun from the gangshow loophole...it's probably some other states fault.
 ileus Aug 2012 #5
LineReply Quick, how many rounds did the gang member have stockpiled?
 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #6
LineReply How is this even
 Jenoch Aug 2012 #21
LineLineReply Maybe they averaged: five went in, four came out
 petronius Aug 2012 #22
LineLineReply The announcer was a dwarf
 spayneuter Aug 2012 #26

Response to DonP (Original post)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 04:13 PM

Star Member Marinedem (373 posts)

1. Smells like BS.

 

Everyone knows that Chicago's gun laws are super effective. The only folks that have or want guns in Chicago are racist right wingers. Probably white Christians too....

















Seriously though: Meh. Run with criminals armed with guns and no concern for human life, don't be shocked when you lose yours.

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 04:37 PM

DonP (3,719 posts)

2. I read the 2nd city cop blog on the incident

It seems the cops arrived, found the guy shot and at first assumed the homeowner had shot him in self defense.

After a while they realized the homeowner was telling them the truth, when he said he didn't have a gun in the house. At first they thought he was trying to avoid the paperwork and the threat of prosecution.

Then they caught the other guys involved and got a ballistics match to the gun one of them had.

I guess that just proves the controllers are right. You don't need a gun to defend yourself or your home, all you need are a bunch of really stupid and clumsy crooks that skipped the NRA gun safety lessons.

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 04:43 PM

Star Member Marinedem (373 posts)

3. Unfuckinbelievable.

 

Look for reasons to harass the owner, not worry about finding the shitheads who busted in.

I hope they all get brought up on murder 2.

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 07:32 PM

Star Member Hoyt (12,094 posts)

7. Unarmed homeowner successfully defends himself. Good outcome.

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 09:54 PM

Star Member ManiacJoe (5,574 posts)

8. That would be a rather odd interpretation of the events.

What part of the article addresses any action by the home owner?

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 10:36 PM

Star Member Hoyt (12,094 posts)

9. He was unhurt. What's wrong, would you be happier if he shot another one or two?

The home owner had no guns and was not harmed. Damn good outcome in my opinion.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #9)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 10:42 PM

Star Member ManiacJoe (5,574 posts)

10. Yes, good outcome. But

your claim that the home owner successfully defended himself without a gun is not supported by the currently known facts.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 10:48 PM

Star Member Hoyt (12,094 posts)

11. Yes it is. By standing his ground without a gun he prevailed.

If he had charged out with an assault rifle like cowboys here think they would do, no telling who would have been hurt/killed. I'll take actual outcome and commend home owner for bravery.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 10:55 PM

Star Member ManiacJoe (5,574 posts)

12. Are we reading the same article?

There is no mention of any actions taken by the home owner. You seem to be using your imagination to fill in the gaps in the story.

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 11:03 PM

Star Member Hoyt (12,094 posts)

13. Look, homeowner took action before and during invasion. Maybe not action gun culture would take,

but action none-the-less. What would you and your guns have done differently that would have guaranteed this excellent outcome? Guess you would have shot up the place.

Headline should have been, "unarmed homeowner walks away from home invasion without a scratch, to NRA's chagrin."

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 11:07 PM

Star Member ManiacJoe (5,574 posts)

14. We are obviously not reading the same article.

You claim "homeowner took action before and during invasion".

What info in the article are you basing this claim on? According to the lack of info in the article, it is also possible that the home owner just sat on the couch and watched the bumbling fools botch the burglary and run out the door.

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 11:33 PM

gejohnston (12,560 posts)

15. Lao Tzu taught

that intentional inaction is an action. Is Hoyt a Taoist?

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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:44 AM

Star Member friendly_iconoclast (8,854 posts)

16. I dunno, but apparently he has powers that would get him big bucks from James Randi...

...were he ever to put them to the test.

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Tue Aug 7, 2012, 10:12 PM

xxenderwigginxx (146 posts)

34. Rule #1 for keeping your sanity in a gun thread

 

Never post more than 1 response to Hoyt or bongbong. When writing your 1 response to Hoyt or bongbong, do NOT attempt to use "logic".

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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:12 PM

spayneuter (134 posts)

17. I'm always happy when victims of violence crime shoot and preferably kill the perpetrators.

 

But that's just me, I tend to root for the good people.

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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:17 PM

Star Member Hoyt (12,094 posts)

18. Ah, so you are judge, juror, executioner, and a tough guy with a gun or two?

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Sun Aug 5, 2012, 04:03 PM

spayneuter (134 posts)

19. If someone is trying to harm me or my family, goddamn right.

 

And I have 14 guns any of which is quite capable of dispatching a home-invading thug or robber.

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Sun Aug 5, 2012, 11:41 PM

Star Member Hoyt (12,094 posts)

20. "14 guns" -- damn that's really something.

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Mon Aug 6, 2012, 11:18 PM

spayneuter (134 posts)

23. It's actually a quite small collection, but I'm not about to apologize for it to you.

 

Actually, everything is something. You might want to think about remedial English.


Why the "sarcasm"? I don't see any.

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Mon Aug 6, 2012, 11:22 PM

Star Member Hoyt (12,094 posts)

24. That's right, 14 is a small number for those who abuse guns in our society.

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Mon Aug 6, 2012, 11:28 PM

spayneuter (134 posts)

25. It is far smaller than those who abuse pretty much every other thing on the planet.

 

What are you actually trying to accomplish?...I've been reading here for several months and I still can't figure out what your deal is...

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Mon Aug 6, 2012, 11:52 PM

Star Member Hoyt (12,094 posts)

27. Like others, I think the common view of guns among gun culture is bad for country.

I think those in gun business are worse than banksters and pimps.

Believe our politicians are owned by right wing NRA in ways not even directly related to guns.

I believe "guns" are getting a little weird right now and it's time to do something. I also believe the majority of gun abusers are right wingers who need to be "well regulated" with respect to guns.

Finally I believe almost no rationale for toting and owning too many guns, and guns manufactured and marketered to appeal to gun culture's baser instincts.

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Mon Aug 6, 2012, 11:59 PM

spayneuter (134 posts)

28. Well, at least you've gotten peripherally specific. Would you be willing to answer a few questions?

 

Such as,

1. How many is "too many"?
2. What is the "gun culture"?
3. What are the "baser instincts" you referred to?
4. What are the non-gun-related ways in which our politicians are "owned" by NRA?
5. Are all gun owners also gun 'abusers' in your opinion?...and if not, what differentiates them?
6. Would you shut down 'gun business' if you had the power to do so?

I think these questions are pretty succinct and reasonable, if you care to address them.

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Tue Aug 7, 2012, 12:36 AM

Star Member Hoyt (12,094 posts)

29. If you do some prep research so that I don't have to answer each of those question from scratch.

I can tell from the questions you ask, it's going to take a lot of work to educate you on the negative impacts of guns on society and individuals. Don't really have time now to try to answer any question from a flat earther, birther, or worse right now.

Give me the question you'd like addressed first, and I'll do my best.

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Tue Aug 7, 2012, 08:59 PM

spayneuter (134 posts)

30. You consider me a flat earther, birther or worse?

 

Well, fine, I actually have better things to do than argue with an insolent creationist.

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Tue Aug 7, 2012, 09:54 PM

Star Member Hoyt (12,094 posts)

31. God, you guys make it difficult. Debating you guys is like arguing with birthers.

Last edited Tue Aug 7, 2012, 09:59 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

Got to explain everything.


Like I keep saying, "without your guns, I love each one of you. "

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Tue Aug 7, 2012, 10:01 PM

gejohnston (12,560 posts)

32. now you know how I feel debating with antis

Last edited Tue Aug 7, 2012, 10:05 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

explaining that a semi auto AR is not a machine guns is like trying to explain Carbon-14 to a creationist.

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Tue Aug 7, 2012, 10:31 PM

Star Member Hoyt (12,094 posts)

35. But, what you don't understand is a semi-auto is just about as lethal.

It's a minor difference when innocent people are getting shot and dubious people are arming up with them.

It's like you guys arguing over mags vs clips. They both feed bullets when you are shooting people, or practicing to do so. Definition doesn't matter until you are perhaps writing a law to keep the gun culture from pushing the spirit of the law.

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Tue Aug 7, 2012, 10:33 PM

gejohnston (12,560 posts)

36. a katana is even more lethal at short range

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Tue Aug 7, 2012, 10:49 PM

Star Member Hoyt (12,094 posts)

37. Fine, you need to leave that at home too.

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Tue Aug 7, 2012, 10:07 PM

xxenderwigginxx (146 posts)

33. lol

 

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Response to DonP (Original post)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 04:49 PM

slackmaster (60,567 posts)

4. Tragic waste of life

 

Criminal gangs suck.

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 05:25 PM

Star Member ileus (9,203 posts)

5. bet he got his gun from the gangshow loophole...it's probably some other states fault.

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 06:02 PM

4th law of robotics (6,801 posts)

6. Quick, how many rounds did the gang member have stockpiled?

 

If it's less than 6000 we're ok. No real crime occurred here.

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Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:26 AM

Jenoch (1,628 posts)

21. How is this even

possible?

"Police said between four or five males forced their way into the home and announced a robbery, police said. "

BETWEEN 4 or 5???

WTF?

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Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:35 AM

Star Member petronius (19,641 posts)

22. Maybe they averaged: five went in, four came out

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Mon Aug 6, 2012, 11:33 PM

spayneuter (134 posts)

26. The announcer was a dwarf

 

thanks to affirmative action for thugs?

Hey, it's possible..............?

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