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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 11:53 AM

GreenStormCloud (10,180 posts)

No Burglars Shot And Killed In Chicago, Several Shot And Killed This Year In Houston

Houston has about 2.1+ million people, Chicago has about 2.7+ million. From time to time I do Google news searches for "burglar shot", "robber shot", or "attacker shot" looking for self-defense cases with something unusual about them. Most of the time I don't post the news because there isn't anything special about it that really merits discussion. In the months that I have been doing those Google searches I have noticed that certain cities tend to come up more often than ther cities.

I have never seen a justifiable homicide cases from Chicago, indicating that robbery and burglary are fairly safe occupations there.

Houston, and other parts of Texas also, frequently have a story on a burglar or robber legally killed by an armed citizen. Therefore it appears that being a burglar or armed robber in Texas, (And in other states with similar laws.) is a highly hazardous profession.

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No Burglars Shot And Killed In Chicago, Several Shot And Killed This Year In Houston (Original post)	GreenStormCloud	Aug 2012	OP
baser toter bloodluster hateful rude 2Aers every celebrate.	ileus	Aug 2012	#1
Perhaps media outlets in Chicago prefer not to cover those stories? n/t	Glaug-Eldare	Aug 2012	#2
"If it bleeds it leads."	HALO141	Aug 2012	#4
Anecdotal evidence indicates that if you plan to pillage/plunder... move to Chicago.	OneTenthofOnePercent	Aug 2012	#3
Anecdotal and totally bogus...check out the burglary figures for both cities...	rfranklin	Aug 2012	#9
Doesn't seem to do anything to lessen crime in Houston...	rfranklin	Aug 2012	#5
Apparently all those guns leads to a higher burglary rate	Fresh_Start	Aug 2012	#7
Correlation does not imply causation.	HALO141	Aug 2012	#8
try home invasions	gejohnston	Aug 2012	#12
Can you back up your claim? There don't seem to be realiable statistics related to that term.	rfranklin	Aug 2012	#13
That's a big problem with home invasion stats.	Lizzie Poppet	Aug 2012	#15
Try these google searches.	safeinOhio	Aug 2012	#6
Try staying on topic.	Clames	Aug 2012	#10
not quite the same thing	gejohnston	Aug 2012	#11
Chicago has plenty of guns...your example is not applicable.	rfranklin	Aug 2012	#14
not legally. Legal ones are few. That being the case	gejohnston	Aug 2012	#17
Congratulations! You must feel wonderful	Starboard Tack	Aug 2012	#16

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 11:59 AM

ileus (9,216 posts)

1. baser toter bloodluster hateful rude 2Aers every celebrate.

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 11:59 AM

Glaug-Eldare (1,018 posts)

2. Perhaps media outlets in Chicago prefer not to cover those stories? n/t

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 12:04 PM

HALO141 (833 posts)

4. "If it bleeds it leads."

News outlets operate the same everywhere.

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 12:01 PM

OneTenthofOnePercent (6,268 posts)

3. Anecdotal evidence indicates that if you plan to pillage/plunder... move to Chicago.

I seem to remember reading a pair of justifiable homicide stories in the chicago area in the past year. Not sure what the scumbags were doing (robbery, rape, assault...) but I do remember the stories.

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 12:41 PM

rfranklin (13,200 posts)

9. Anecdotal and totally bogus...check out the burglary figures for both cities...

Houston is just a lawless place.

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 12:18 PM

rfranklin (13,200 posts)

5. Doesn't seem to do anything to lessen crime in Houston...

judging by the number of stories you are able to dredge up.

Houston has 1295 burglaries per 100,000 population while Chicago has 845. Your theory that gunning down burglars makes you safer from crime is not sound.

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 12:28 PM

Fresh_Start (7,328 posts)

7. Apparently all those guns leads to a higher burglary rate

heck if they can infer gold from crap so can the non-"life without my guns isn't real living" crowd

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 12:39 PM

HALO141 (833 posts)

8. Correlation does not imply causation.

The only way to test your hypothesis would be to examine 2 parallel universes - The one we live in and one in which Houston had the same gun laws as Chicago. Since that's not possible any conclusion we draw is pure supposition. However...

I'll make the following two assumptions with a very high degree of confidence:
1) The number of available burglars over the course of a year is not infinite.
2) There is no universal law, physical or metaphysical, that requires any given number of burglaries be committed.

Given the above, I feel equally confident in the following hypothesis; If there had been 27195 burglars shot (((2100000)/100000)*1295) then there would have been a statistically significant decrease in burglaries in Houston. The conclusion, then, is that not enough burglars are getting shot.

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 01:10 PM

gejohnston (12,598 posts)

12. try home invasions

which is different than burglary. It is safer to do a home invasion in Chicago, but burglary is just as safe in either place. Of course, if your casing skills suck, all bets are off.

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 01:57 PM

rfranklin (13,200 posts)

13. Can you back up your claim? There don't seem to be realiable statistics related to that term.

The term "home invasion" is somewhat fluid and can include burglaries without assault.

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 02:14 PM

Lizzie Poppet (2,376 posts)

15. That's a big problem with home invasion stats.

Home invasions aren't recorded as such by law enforcement, and different agencies assign them to different categories.

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 12:20 PM

safeinOhio (7,465 posts)

6. Try these google searches.

"Houston gun accident" and "Chicago gun accident". Looks like those even it out.

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 12:43 PM

Clames (2,038 posts)

10. Try staying on topic.

N/t

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 01:07 PM

gejohnston (12,598 posts)

11. not quite the same thing

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try "Kwajalein car crash" and "Guam car crash" Kwajalein doesn't have any cars.

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 01:58 PM

rfranklin (13,200 posts)

14. Chicago has plenty of guns...your example is not applicable.

Is it?

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 08:04 PM

gejohnston (12,598 posts)

17. not legally. Legal ones are few. That being the case

accidents are not going to be reported to the police.

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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 02:34 PM

Starboard Tack (7,958 posts)

16. Congratulations! You must feel wonderful

now I have to go

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