Shot just misses baby's crib in Creve Coeur

[Sherman A1]

CREVE COEUR, Mo. (AP) -- A St. Louis County man whose sleeping baby was nearly hit by a shot apparently fired by a New Year's reveler says he's outraged that someone would be so careless.
Police in Creve Coeur say a .45-caliber bullet pierced the roof and ceiling in Dave Marting's one-story home, bounced off a footrest and landed a few feet from the crib where 9-month-old Keira was sleeping. The bullet left a hole about the size of a silver dollar in the ceiling of the baby's bedroom.

http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Shot-just-misses-Mo-babys-crib-136512148.html

[ManiacJoe]

1. Was there something in the article you wanted to discuss?

[Sherman A1]

5. No,

You all just made my point for me, Thank You Kindly.

[PavePusher]

8. What was your point?

[ellisonz]

13. +1

[Remmah2]

18. There's idiots with guns.

Idiots with cars.

Idiots with alcohol (that's redundant).

Idiots with dicks.

Idiots with blunt instruments.

Elected idiots.

In-law idiots. (Salute to the holidays.)

Idiots with opinions.

And idiots with computers.

Someone has to fill out the lower end of life's bell curve.

[Fourier]

21. For someone with a phobia for guns, you sure picked a strange username............

[PavePusher]

2. I really doubt you'll find anyone here who doesn't want to find the people doing "happy fire"...

and re-educate them with a nail-studded bat.

So, what would you like to discuss?

[SteveW]

3. O-o-o-kay. And your point? nt

[Simo 1939_1940]

4. More cheap drive-by appeal to emotion.

Pro-restrictionists just can't stand the fact that crime has been dropping while gun ownership has been increasing.

[Hoyt]

6. "Appeal to emotion?" -- you mean like gun lobby; right wing gun sites; gun advertising, etc.

Tales of the boggieman and the like.

[Simo 1939_1940]

9. Not saying that "the gun lobby" etc. isn't guilty of hyperbole as well.

Generally speaking, however, the "pro-sanity" team resorts to appeals to emotion on a much more regular basis than the pro-RKBA. Why? Because when you don't have the facts on your side, you can't appeal to the intellect - and if you can't appeal to the intellect you are essentially compelled to appeal to emotion.

[X_Digger]

10. "waah, he did it first!" -- is not adult discussion. Care to move past schoolyard rhetoric? n/t

[Fourier]

7. That is a truly amazing ballistic for a .45.

The reveler must have been in a blimp to achieve that trajectory.

[ileus]

11. shooting in the air is a hell of a waste.

[spin]

12. Yup. It's a waste of good ammo and today ammo is not cheap. (n/t)

[rl6214]

14. And?

Just another drive-by spam posting.

[Sherman A1]

15. Not at all....

You just made my point.

[ManiacJoe]

16. Since you keep repeating it, I am sure you believe that you had a point to make.

However, since you did not make any statements at all, why don't you actually try sharing the point you believe you have made?

[Sherman A1]

20. The point

which was made so eloquently by the comment "another drive by spam....." is the apparent desire to put words and opinions into a post where they do not exist.

I posted the story to hopefully elicit discussion of the Topic and hence posted it without comment, it would seem by several of the responses that rather than discuss the story, there exists a passing judgement on my position on guns, their control or lack of control because the posting of a story about a near tragedy (and I would hope that there can be agreement that it was that) involving a gun indicates that I hold or reveal a position on the topic.

[ManiacJoe]

24. A misunderstanding on your part.

Most news and current event articles on there own do not normally contain enough data to stand by themselves as conversation starters. That is why we ask folks posting such articles to actually start the conversation by posting some comments or questions about what in the article they wanted to discuss.

[alp227]

17. similar story in florida, a preteen boy was hit in the brain

http://jonathanturley.org/2012/01/03/florida-child-left-in-critical-condition-from-bullet-fired-miles-away-to-celebrate-the-new-year/

There is a 2nd amendment right to own a gun as long as you use it within law or for self-defense against a crime. The problem is, how much can gun regulations prevent people from becoming innocent victims of random attacks or sniper fire?

[friendly_iconoclast]

19. Sadly, laws do not prevent stupidity or malice.

[Fourier]

22. Simple, just pass another law.

How hard was that?

[ellisonz]

23. ...

[friendly_iconoclast]

25. Funny thing about Europeans and gun deaths- they play go-ahead on a regular basis.

And they are far ahead of us over the last century, thanks to such years as:

1912-1918 (let's not forget the First Balkan Wars), 1920 (Polish-Soviet War), 1933-1945, 1956 (Warsaw Pact invasion of Hungary), 1968 (WP invasion of Czechoslovakia), and the early 1990s (Second Balkan Wars).

And if the euro shits the bed and takes their economies with it, do you think the popular response will be entirely non-violent?

So, no, I'm not too inclined to listen to European advice about how to reduce gun related deaths...

[ellisonz]

26. Your xenophobia is noted. n/t

[friendly_iconoclast]

27. For pointing out Europeans have Americans beat in the gun violence department?

Hell, I completely forgot to mention the Easter Uprising and Civil War in Ireland (1916-1922), the Spanish Civil War (1936-1939), and all kinds terrorist groups
(assorted factions of the IRA, Ulster Unionists, ETA, Red Brigades, OAS, Red Army Faction, November 17, odds and sods of the PLO, PFLP, Black September,
Grey Wolves, those involved in the anni di piombi in Italy...)

Granted, when they're not killing each other in wholesale lots they are calmer than we are- but they can't seem to go twenty years without a war of some sort,
and usually have at least one or two terrorist groups raising hell at any time.

And if the Eurozone breaks up, I pray it will be peaceable- but that neck of the woods doesn't have a very good record for that sort of thing...

[AtheistCrusader]

28. What the hell is his roof made out of? Styrofoam?

A falling .50 caliber bullet generally won't pierce plywood.

Pretty much had to be flying in a flat or low trajectory, not falling from a straight-up shot.