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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:38 AM

TPaine7 (4,286 posts)

Zimmerman passed lie detector test

Just another piece of evidence in a story being used in the CCW/SYG/Second Amendment debate:

Zimmerman, the report noted, “was classified as No Deception Indicated (NDI).”

Along with questions about whether his first name was George and if it was Monday, Zimmerman was asked, “Did you confront the guy you shot?’ He answered, “No.” He was also asked, “Were you in fear for your life, when you shot the guy.” Zimmerman replied, “Yes.”

Before the CVSA test, Zimmerman--who was apparently not accompanied by legal counsel--signed a Sanford Police Department release stating that he was undergoing the examination “voluntarily, without duress, coercion, threat or promise.”

The lie detector test was requested by Chris Serino, a homicide investigator with the Sanford Police Department.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/george-zimmerman-lie-detector-421395

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17 replies	Author	Time	Post
Zimmerman passed lie detector test (Original post)	TPaine7	Jun 2012	OP
All that means is that he believes his own story	Drale	Jun 2012	#1
It doesn't even mean that.	Warren Stupidity	Jun 2012	#2
Or is a very good liar... as evidenced by his jailhouse plot to hide money and passport	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#4
Stupid and Arrogant generally go together	Drale	Jun 2012	#6
There is no 2nd amendment right to "stand your ground" or "concealed carry".	Warren Stupidity	Jun 2012	#3
Those are intended as three separate subjects nt	TPaine7	Jun 2012	#7
The way i understand it, passing a lie detector test isn't proof of innocence...	Kaleva	Jun 2012	#5
It isn't proof of anything.	Warren Stupidity	Jun 2012	#10
VSA = Voice Stress Analysis	targetpractice	Jun 2012	#8
Zimmerman is delusional	madashelltoo	Jun 2012	#9
In his mind he's telling the truth...	ileus	Jun 2012	#11
Lie detector tests are not admissible as evidence because they are not reliable.	morningfog	Jun 2012	#12
Well ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jun 2012	#14
Proves nothing	markbark	Jun 2012	#13
This isn't a lie detector test it computer voice stress analyzer (CVSA)	Historic NY	Jun 2012	#15
I have taken a polygraph test three times.	GreenStormCloud	Jun 2012	#16
I trained myself to fool one in an undergraduate psychology class in the 1970s using biofeedback	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#17

Response to TPaine7 (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:40 AM

Drale (7,487 posts)

1. All that means is that he believes his own story

If you repeat a lie enough times, you start to believe it yourself.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:44 AM

Warren Stupidity (32,336 posts)

2. It doesn't even mean that.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:45 AM

hlthe2b (47,515 posts)

4. Or is a very good liar... as evidenced by his jailhouse plot to hide money and passport

To his detriment, he is also apparently very stupid and arrogant.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:47 AM

Drale (7,487 posts)

6. Stupid and Arrogant generally go together

Just look at the Tea Party.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:45 AM

Warren Stupidity (32,336 posts)

3. There is no 2nd amendment right to "stand your ground" or "concealed carry".

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:49 AM

TPaine7 (4,286 posts)

7. Those are intended as three separate subjects nt

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:46 AM

Kaleva (11,406 posts)

5. The way i understand it, passing a lie detector test isn't proof of innocence...

but failing it could hurt one's case.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:51 AM

Warren Stupidity (32,336 posts)

10. It isn't proof of anything.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:50 AM

targetpractice (2,535 posts)

8. VSA = Voice Stress Analysis

Lots of debate about it's reliability…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_stress_analysis

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:50 AM

madashelltoo (702 posts)

9. Zimmerman is delusional

He has told a different story more times than I can count. I watched the walk through tape and most of it did not match the 911 phone calls. His story does not match his injuries. The detective was right, his physical injuries did not reflect someone sitting on you punching you for nearly a minute. He would have had fist marks on his neck, chest, shoulders. Trayvon's knuckles would have been badly bruised. He's lying. Period.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:53 AM

ileus (9,309 posts)

11. In his mind he's telling the truth...

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:54 AM

morningfog (4,451 posts)

12. Lie detector tests are not admissible as evidence because they are not reliable.

Meaningless really.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:58 AM

1StrongBlackMan (5,613 posts)

14. Well ...

Not meaningless ... After all, this throws a popular opinion lifeline to the zim defenders.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:57 AM

markbark (1,242 posts)

13. Proves nothing

"Lie Detector" my shiny metal ass!

Polygraphy is a "science" somewhere between dowsing and astrology.
There is no test (with the possible exception of fMRI) that can conclusively tell you the veracity of anyone's statement.

It can be used as a tool to decide whether or not to continue or initiate an investigation, but that's about it.

Throw the red herring back in the water and continue the investigation.

--MAB

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:29 AM

Historic NY (19,864 posts)

15. This isn't a lie detector test it computer voice stress analyzer (CVSA)

its meaningless in a court of law. It doesn't allow an operator user to discriminate accurately between truthful and deceptive people. Like anything its a tool and it can be manipulated.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:31 PM

GreenStormCloud (10,319 posts)

16. I have taken a polygraph test three times.

Each time it was a requirement for a job as a security guard. I passed twice and flunked once. I was being honest all three times. A lot depends upon the guy giving the test, and how nervous the subject is.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:53 PM

slackmaster (60,567 posts)

17. I trained myself to fool one in an undergraduate psychology class in the 1970s using biofeedback

It wasn't difficult.

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