Video: President Clinton Signs The Brady Bill

http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm

There were a number of things at play in 1994 and mid-terms are never "good" for an incumbent party.

But the climate was much riper for increased gun control back then, and there was STILL backlash.

Imagine what would happen now?









Promoting more gun control now would be suicide.

They aren't leading at all like the shit in the link upthread, and are therefore not useful.

What's funny is, even in all those polls in the link he provided, the over-all trend is the same: continually LESS support of stricter gun control over the past 20 years.

The more people get exposed to guns and realize they are just a tool, the less they are afraid of them.

They could just be reacting to the level of "insanity" that is out there already.

Nice freudian slip there.

and likely would not have passed without the support of the NRA. Further, saying, "On November 30, 2008, the 15th anniversary, we celebrate the victory as time has revealed a dramatic decrease in gun crimes as a result of this law." is as fallacious as saying, "This chart combined with decreased violent crime during the same period, shows that concealed carry laws have resulted in a safer society".




Correlation...causation...and all that..

oh, and interesting we didn't get to see the crowd at the Brady's award ceremony and that Bill didn't go..The Brady's have cast themselves into irrelevance through their own fanaticism.

and flash spreaders.

Instead of editing or deleting my post, I'll just say "Mea Culpa".

And thanks for the correction.

There was never ANY ban on assault weapons or high capacity magazines. In fact, the AWB made such weapons far more popular than prior to the ban.

All the shooters that I knew during the time that the AWB was effect decided they just had to have one and did indeed buy at least one. Then they had to have high capacity magazines to go with their new weapon and were willing to pay a small fortune for them.

It was a foolish law.

The AWB is your great failure and that anti-gun culture folks still cling to it is bizarre.

Someone, somewhere in the US has an AR-15 with a bayonet lug. I bet it keeps you up at night.

There are no "addicts" or "hoarders" here just "horders" bruddah

No, hoyt, it shows just how much disdain the "gun culture" has for bias based legislation, and those with such biases who distort, mislead, misrepresent, and outright lie, in an effort to push it.

If you need examples, I'd be more than happy to provide them. I have several bookmarked for dealing with those in denial.

Does the definition include buying them to spite people like you?

"Beevul, if one covets with these type weapons like that, they have a problem. A serious problem."

No more so than someone that expresses illogical hatred or dislike of them, and far less than those would lie to support legislation based on such bias.

Just what we need, a bunch of "spiteful" people running around with guns strapped to their bodies.

Quite frankly, I think that is what we have in a whole lot of cases.

And i'm sure you'd suggest similar restrictions to spiteful speech, amirite?

Sure spite is a problem, the thing is though, the damned thing of it is, I see far more spitefulness expressed by you and your playmates than I EVER do from the pro-gun crowd.

A thoughtful person, one interested in truth, might acknowledge and examine that...but will you?




On edit:

You never did post the definition of covet, as you use the word.

Please do.

Maybe it isn't so simple after all.

and changing the 10th commandment to read

"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's including his AR-15.

That's why they are locked in a safe.

and they really just need to grow up.

Totally different law.

and assumed the OP was about the AWB. My bad.

The good news is that I didn't land in the hospital with pneumonia. The doctor thinks antibiotics will do the trick.

Pneumonia sucks, better to have something easier to treat. Hope you get well soon.

I have aquired 7 of them in different configurations. I think I must have about 75 magazines, most of them brand new and in the wrapper. I have three sons and all of my guns and accessories will be handed down to them.

At one point I heard that there were very few prosecutions of people who lie on form 4473 and are denied by the NICS checks.

Excluding clerical mistakes or possible gray areas, I would think there would be a lot of information available for quick and easy prosecution.

That would actually have an impact on crime.

And seemingly easy to prosecute.

You have a witness (the ffl)
You have proof of the lie (signed form 4473).
A mechanism of notifying LEO that a crime has occurred (the NICS check)
And proof of who committed the crime (State ID with address).

Of course there are mistakes and some gray area stuff which could be vetted out even prior to arrest.

Even if they prioritized arrests of violent felons, a lot of bad guys would be behind bars.

quite a lot are attempted malfeasance, and very low hanging fruit, as you pointed out, to prosecute. Rarely do criminals so thoroughly identify themselves when attempting to commit a crime.

"Although stung by the Brady Bill's passage, the NRA was quick to point out that the instant check is a proposal they have long endorsed, so in the end they will be the winners. "Passage of the instant check provisions of the Brady Bill makes progress toward protecting the civil rights of law-abiding citizens who purchase handguns -- but no one should make the mistaken assumption that waits or checks will significantly affect violent crime," said Jim Baker, executive director of the NRA-ILA.

"The interim waiting period does not mandate a background check in the 27 states it affects (23 states with a majority of the U.S. population already have longer waiting periods on the books). It's a smokescreen that will do nothing about violent crime.""


27 states were unaffected by the background checks provision.
18 states were exempted from the NICS requirements.

Shitty law, didn't do much if anything, but it did give us the NRA-endorsed NICS system, which was great. Thanks for that. I use it all the time.

My Texas CHL takes care of it for me!

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

1. States are not required to transmit to the federal DoJ information about all events that make a person ineligible to acquire a firearm. The biggest deficiency is in mental health adjudications. Some state privacy laws are in conflict with federal law on this issue.

2. The National Instant Check System, or NICS, is not available for use by anyone other than federally licensed firearm dealers - Holders of Type 01 Federal Firearms Licenses. Even Type 03 licensees (Collector of Curio and Relics) like me are not permitted to use NICS, even though the license does permit us to acquire and dispose of certain firearms through interstate commerce.

Other than those two problems, the Brady Act has proved to be workable and helpful.

such as the NICS background check, they would actually help to reduce gun violence.

But no. To many gun control advocates another foolish Assault Weapons Ban or registration of all firearms, microstamping ammunition or limiting the number of firearms a person can own is far more important.

The sad part is that Obama does want to improve the NICS background check system.



After he wrote this op-ed he got ZERO support from the Brady Campaign or Congressional Democrats for his rational and reasonable ideas. If someone would have joined with him to push for these improvements they might have actually happened.

And as written, they sound pretty good to me.

Like "real" prohibitions? Making an effort to improve the system may have been seen by the Bradys as sapping away support for more "complete" prohibitions. As one gun-control advocate in these threads has said (paraphrase): A lot of this is a smokescreen.

...on occasion, said that the holes in the system that have allowed prohibited persons, like Cho of VA Tech, to acquire firearms are two-fold:

First, the NICS is a national system maintained by the FBI. Most of the data input into the system originates within the states. Since standards for mental incapacity vary a bit from state to state as well as privacy laws, some individuals fall through the cracks.

Second, some states have used resources to comply with federal reporting by implementing full point-of-contact service systems, like Virginia (pre-Cho) but did not review and update their laws on mental disability, for instance, for compatibility with those federal standards. This is why some states have reported fewer than 100 persons for mental disability into the system and also why a few states have reported no one.

The NICS restrictions are binding only on FFLs. State laws govern private sales. Some states mandate private sales be accomplished via delivery through an FFL with the NICS check and some don't.

Not to mention that the NICS will not stop the criminal who stole a gun from selling it black market.