Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:29 PM

snooper2 (16,882 posts)

What's the big deal with drama in this group?

Are there folks here that want to walk down the street with AR10 hanging from their shoulder vs. folks who want to do away with all firearms including the police?

I think in the current state of affairs our gun laws we have in place are just fine. Just about the right mix...

I do think the "Stand your ground" laws are too much, we should just keep the castle laws. On your own property, in your own house, fine. Walking down to your neighbor and actiing like you are under threat and shooting him doesn't work. (As noted by a good Texas jury recently)

Also, the big gun shows/sales should be better regulated...

But outside of that, the laws on the books right now are good. There really shouldn't be too much to bitch about. So what's with all the drama I hear? I'm perfectly in the middle for you folks so if you have confusion or a specific question I'll answer it and state how it should be.

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What's the big deal with drama in this group? (Original post)	snooper2	Jun 2012	OP
Why don't people outside their home have a right to self-edefense?	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2012	#1
CCL are fine...no change required to law	snooper2	Jun 2012	#6
Except if you ever use your CCL	pipoman	Jun 2012	#56
Not always.	oneshooter	Jun 2012	#61
SYG does not cover this:	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#2
That all depends on your	safeinOhio	Jun 2012	#13
"You seem to be advocating shooting someone that steals something in the back to keep your stuff."	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#29
You said it.	safeinOhio	Jun 2012	#43
I believe I have (and should have) the right to refuse any criminal request	Glaug-Eldare	Jun 2012	#47
It surely didn't sound like "shoot them in the back".	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#77
But what you describe isn't a problem with the law as written.	NewMoonTherian	Jun 2012	#31
I don't mind the Stand Your Ground laws.	OneTenthofOnePercent	Jun 2012	#3
.	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2012	#4
Ambiguous circumstances cas ensnare anyone, really.	OneTenthofOnePercent	Jun 2012	#8
Definitely something to consider.	Starboard Tack	Jun 2012	#44
Or even if they are faced with use it or parrish,	pipoman	Jun 2012	#60
Rights don't come with a free pass through the judicial process.	Starboard Tack	Jun 2012	#72
I aspire to, in fact have achieved in most states,	pipoman	Jun 2012	#76
AR10's are just too damn big.	ileus	Jun 2012	#5
Tell me about it... my "AR10" bench rifle is over 15 pounds with scope, bipod, and 20rnd mag.	OneTenthofOnePercent	Jun 2012	#7
Memories of Belfast perhaps?	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#32
I'm missing the reference, here... ?	OneTenthofOnePercent	Jun 2012	#91
My bad, I was thinking of the AR-18	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#92
Really pretty simple -- who wants a bunch of yahoos like this parading around in public, around kids	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#9
Well	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2012	#10
Except this is that, PLUS a gun or two strapped to their bodies.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#12
Should I be scared?	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2012	#14
Apparently you are if you carry a gun on city streets. n/t	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#16
None of the pictures you showed are from city streets.	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2012	#18
Do you want militia, cowboy, bigoted, or basement arsenal types walking around armed in the city?	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#21
You can't complain about something that isn't happening..	snooper2	Jun 2012	#24
From the pics you posted it's not an issue.	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2012	#25
"Militia" isn't a pejorative.	NewMoonTherian	Jun 2012	#34
The militia types are such wonderful folks camping out hoping to shoot people from Mexico and stuff.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#40
I've got no love for the Minuteman project.	NewMoonTherian	Jun 2012	#64
.	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2012	#68
You think the majority of people thought violence was the answer to racism?	ellisonz	Jun 2012	#100
I'm not sure which post you're replying to.	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2012	#101
I'm replying to your posting of an image of the Black Panthers...	ellisonz	Jun 2012	#102
And the violence advocated by militias is pretty thoroughly rejected by whites as well	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2012	#103
The anti-government violence is denounced...	ellisonz	Jun 2012	#107
What does Mr Horn have to do with Hoyt's assertion that pro-2A = support for	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2012	#108
First off: "pro-2A" is a silly notion. No one is opposed to the Constituion.	ellisonz	Jun 2012	#110
Hoyt was painting, via false association, that to be pro-2A is to be pro-white racist militia	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2012	#112
I think the entire premise of "pro-2A" is nonsensical.	ellisonz	Jun 2012	#113
I still don't see what this has to do with Hoyt's dishonest assertion	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2012	#114
I believe you meant	sarisataka	Jun 2012	#104
And that would be a very poor analogy.	ellisonz	Jun 2012	#105
So are you claiming...	sarisataka	Jun 2012	#109
I believe the gun culture...	ellisonz	Jun 2012	#111
Hoyt knows the truth....	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#42
He doesn't tolerate people that don't look or think like him	DonP	Jun 2012	#50
I "tolerate" almost everyone except those carrying guns in the city.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#71
Thank you for illustrating my point so well.	DonP	Jun 2012	#81
Well, I don't tolerate criminals, particularly those who abuse with a gun (whether convicted).	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#83
Hoyt's Gun Abuse Severity Test	Glaug-Eldare	Jun 2012	#86
I'm not sure I understand.	NewMoonTherian	Jun 2012	#87
Maybe they don't want a hug from you.	Common Sense Party	Jun 2012	#89
Based on the pictures he keeps posting he doesn't seem to like overweight white people.	DonP	Jun 2012	#90
I've been alive for 37 years and don't remember seeing folks like that parading around in public...	snooper2	Jun 2012	#11
I think if it is OK to do a criminal	safeinOhio	Jun 2012	#15
To be fair	Trunk Monkey	Jun 2012	#19
Taking your statement at face value	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2012	#20
Because the criminal elemnet of Colorado	Trunk Monkey	Jun 2012	#33
Many pro-gun people think so too	sarisataka	Jun 2012	#37
Pretty much a racist collection of pictures.	Remmah2	Jun 2012	#22
I know! Right?	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2012	#27
and sexist.............	Remmah2	Jun 2012	#28
Simple answer	DonP	Jun 2012	#30
Cause those are only militia and TBag types who arm up.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#49
If you say so,	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#52
Just more ancient BS to scare the gun culture into buying more guns.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#54
Ah, white supremacists	Glaug-Eldare	Jun 2012	#58
Their mistake was they didn't restrict the hell out of guns for everyone.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#63
No mistake, and no oversight.	Glaug-Eldare	Jun 2012	#65
I think we could cover most people, at least begin transition to saner gun laws.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#69
Like this?	cherokeeprogressive	Jun 2012	#55
Post # 54 is for you too.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#57
No pictures, but there's a black gun club round my way	Glaug-Eldare	Jun 2012	#74
Bingo -- Diversity is definitely lacking in the gun culture.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#46
Gun shows around here have plenty of non-whites and women.	Glaug-Eldare	Jun 2012	#53
Hoyt, you need to get out more.	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#78
Please provide a photo of you and GC buddies.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#79
You are always welcome to come to Tucson and take in a gun show or two. n/t	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#80
At your expense? Otherwise photos please.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#84
Generally speaking, taking photos at those events is restricted.	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#93
I bet it is restricted.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#95
Simple?	Straw Man	Jun 2012	#26
Most gun owners are "yahoos", according to Hoyt....	MicaelS	Jun 2012	#82
Don't see any parades	sarisataka	Jun 2012	#38
I wonder if the huge beer guts are part of the qualifying process.	Starboard Tack	Jun 2012	#45
I've noticed the tendency, and think there is a correlation.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#51
Why do you single out overweight persons?	mvccd1000	Jun 2012	#85
There aren't that many. How many calories do you burn standing, squeezing a trigger -- not a lot.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#97
Cool answer.	mvccd1000	Jun 2012	#98
Over weight people will kill for food if need be?	L0oniX	Jun 2012	#96
Your example of the Texas incident ...	spin	Jun 2012	#17
To answer your initial question...	Clames	Jun 2012	#23
actually these same people are going all over DU with their vitriol and making all of DU suck.	Tuesday Afternoon	Jun 2012	#35
Let them whine, let them complain, let them make DU suck...	Clames	Jun 2012	#39
what last attempt?	Tuesday Afternoon	Jun 2012	#41
When elisonz protested a few threads made here in Meta.	Clames	Jun 2012	#66
well then --- check this out	Tuesday Afternoon	Jun 2012	#73
"Let them whine" LOL.	Starboard Tack	Jun 2012	#48
Certain people TRY "to make DU suck", iverglas was the most notorious..	MicaelS	Jun 2012	#59
No whining, just observing a fact here.	Clames	Jun 2012	#67
I disagree	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#70
and to tack in that direction ... I think I am getting your drift.	Tuesday Afternoon	Jun 2012	#75
Agree 100% n/t	MicaelS	Jun 2012	#62
in your opinion has the drama gotten worse since the move to DU3 and if so, why?	Tuesday Afternoon	Jun 2012	#36
Just from my brief time here	Trunk Monkey	Jun 2012	#88
Exactly. n/t	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#94
first topic....dedicated 22lr uppers.	ileus	Jun 2012	#99
First purse fight...	jeepnstein	Jun 2012	#106
Judging by the question content of the original post...	Bum_Whisperer	Jun 2012	#115
LOL, I killed a sow when I was 13 with a thirty-aught-six	snooper2	Jun 2012	#117
What's wrong with my AR-10?	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2012	#116

Response to snooper2 (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:46 PM

Nuclear Unicorn (7,117 posts)

1. Why don't people outside their home have a right to self-edefense?

People go to work, out for an evening on the town, shopping, etc. I'd like to think they have a right to self-defense if they're at these places doing nothing harmful to anyone.

Chasing people down to play vigilante? Provoking a confrontation? Yeah, I'd be against those as well but those few instances don't negate the legitimate need for legal protection/recognition to those people genuinely defending their safety and others.

What's the big deal with drama in this group?

1. Why don't people outside their home have a right to self-edefense?

6. CCL are fine...no change required to law

56. Except if you ever use your CCL

61. Not always.

2. SYG does not cover this:

13. That all depends on your

29. "You seem to be advocating shooting someone that steals something in the back to keep your stuff."

43. You said it.

47. I believe I have (and should have) the right to refuse any criminal request

77. It surely didn't sound like "shoot them in the back".

31. But what you describe isn't a problem with the law as written.

3. I don't mind the Stand Your Ground laws.

4. .

8. Ambiguous circumstances cas ensnare anyone, really.

44. Definitely something to consider.

60. Or even if they are faced with use it or parrish,

72. Rights don't come with a free pass through the judicial process.

76. I aspire to, in fact have achieved in most states,

5. AR10's are just too damn big.

7. Tell me about it... my "AR10" bench rifle is over 15 pounds with scope, bipod, and 20rnd mag.

32. Memories of Belfast perhaps?

91. I'm missing the reference, here... ?

92. My bad, I was thinking of the AR-18

9. Really pretty simple -- who wants a bunch of yahoos like this parading around in public, around kids

10. Well

12. Except this is that, PLUS a gun or two strapped to their bodies.

14. Should I be scared?

16. Apparently you are if you carry a gun on city streets. n/t

18. None of the pictures you showed are from city streets.

21. Do you want militia, cowboy, bigoted, or basement arsenal types walking around armed in the city?

24. You can't complain about something that isn't happening..

25. From the pics you posted it's not an issue.

34. "Militia" isn't a pejorative.

40. The militia types are such wonderful folks camping out hoping to shoot people from Mexico and stuff.

64. I've got no love for the Minuteman project.

68. .

100. You think the majority of people thought violence was the answer to racism?

101. I'm not sure which post you're replying to.

102. I'm replying to your posting of an image of the Black Panthers...

103. And the violence advocated by militias is pretty thoroughly rejected by whites as well

107. The anti-government violence is denounced...

108. What does Mr Horn have to do with Hoyt's assertion that pro-2A = support for

110. First off: "pro-2A" is a silly notion. No one is opposed to the Constituion.

112. Hoyt was painting, via false association, that to be pro-2A is to be pro-white racist militia

113. I think the entire premise of "pro-2A" is nonsensical.

114. I still don't see what this has to do with Hoyt's dishonest assertion

104. I believe you meant

105. And that would be a very poor analogy.

109. So are you claiming...

111. I believe the gun culture...

42. Hoyt knows the truth....

50. He doesn't tolerate people that don't look or think like him

71. I "tolerate" almost everyone except those carrying guns in the city.

81. Thank you for illustrating my point so well.

83. Well, I don't tolerate criminals, particularly those who abuse with a gun (whether convicted).

86. Hoyt's Gun Abuse Severity Test

87. I'm not sure I understand.

89. Maybe they don't want a hug from you.

90. Based on the pictures he keeps posting he doesn't seem to like overweight white people.

11. I've been alive for 37 years and don't remember seeing folks like that parading around in public...

15. I think if it is OK to do a criminal

19. To be fair

20. Taking your statement at face value

33. Because the criminal elemnet of Colorado

37. Many pro-gun people think so too

22. Pretty much a racist collection of pictures.

27. I know! Right?

28. and sexist.............

30. Simple answer

49. Cause those are only militia and TBag types who arm up.

52. If you say so,

54. Just more ancient BS to scare the gun culture into buying more guns.

58. Ah, white supremacists

63. Their mistake was they didn't restrict the hell out of guns for everyone.

65. No mistake, and no oversight.

69. I think we could cover most people, at least begin transition to saner gun laws.

55. Like this?

57. Post # 54 is for you too.

74. No pictures, but there's a black gun club round my way