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Wed Jun 6, 2012, 10:47 AM

A proposed SOP with a discussion about the name of this group

While there is a on going poll with a discussion about changing the SOP, I think a discussion about the actual wording is worthy of its own thread.

Here is the current SOP:

"Discuss gun control laws, the Second Amendment, the use of firearms for self-defense, and the use of firearms to commit crime and violence."

Here is a proposed SOP as written by petronius:

"Discuss all aspects of firearms use and ownership, including but not limited to gun control laws and policies, the Second Amendment, self-defense, crime and violence, safety and education, shooting sports, and collecting."

A tip of the the hat to CreekDog who pointed out the obvious that discussion of gun safety ought to be included.

As for the name, I think keeping the current one is okay as discussions on gun control and RKBA would still the primary focus of this group and it would remain under the Justice & Public Safety umbrella. Altough I'd be fine with changing it to "Guns", "Firearms" or even to "The Gungeon".

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Response to Kaleva (Original post)

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:00 PM

1. Sounds good to me.

As is, it's almost like having an "Automobiles Forum" but the only thing we're allowed to discuss are motor vehicle laws, traffic fatalities and hit-and-run accidents.

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Response to Common Sense Party (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 04:30 PM

5. There are lots of forums to discuss firearms

There are very few places on the internet to discuss firearms policy in the greater context of a Democratic point of view. I'm not opposed to 'gun porn' per se, I just appreciate that this forum is focused much more on the public policy aspects of firearms and gun control. My only fear would be that pure policy decisions get pushed aside by much more general interest firearms discussion that isin't very unique to DU.

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Response to Kaleva (Original post)

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:20 PM

2. I like the

 

Gungeon

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Response to Kaleva (Original post)

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 04:50 PM

3. Why fight the Tide? The Gungeon. Everyone calls it that already. on edit: I like the new SOP. n/t

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 08:44 PM

4. I'd be fine with The Gungeon. It's what most people call this group anyways.

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Response to Kaleva (Original post)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 10:34 PM

6. I like it.

 

I think people ought to be able to discuss firearms in general.

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Response to Kaleva (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 10:37 AM

7. I like the current name and I like petronius/creekdog SOP.

 

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Response to Kaleva (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 11:38 AM

8. Whatever the consensus is

 

is fine with me, I'm easy, not cheap, but easy.

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Response to Kaleva (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 11:40 AM

9. I like it. Lets implement is asap! I want to discuss CC solutions at times.

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Response to Kaleva (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 01:02 PM

10. Anyone who votes to choose a name other than The Gungeon must always refer to this place by that

name. It is disingenuous to do otherwise.

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Response to Kaleva (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 11:04 PM

11. I prefer a name of 'Guns' or 'Firearms' - I prefer 'Gungeon' as an informal nickname

no matter the motivation an individual has in using it.

It seems to me that it's time for someone (Krispos?) to send some queries to the Admin. Specifically:
  1. What are the Admin feelings regarding a name/SoP change for a group like GC & RKBA?
  2. Is a ~ 70-30 vote enough evidence in support of a change (considering the apparent ideological split in the voting)?
  3. If a change is allowable, how do we make it happen?
Naturally I favor the Petronius/CreekDog draft SoP, but others may have other suggestions. If the answers from Admin permit a change, perhaps we'd need one last thread to solicit and vote on the candidate SoPs...

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Response to petronius (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:30 PM

12. So, after a week and a half the poll settled in at 69% in favor of an expanded SoP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=42069

It certainly seems that all regular users of the group have had ample time to vote. I think it's time to approach Admin to find out if a change in the SoP is allowed, and if the >2/3 majority in the poll is sufficient justification. May I propose that Krispos as the host follows up with Admin on behalf of the Group?

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Response to petronius (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 07:47 AM

14. First you'll have to subtract the votes of members who are no longer here.

and any sock pupppets who just signed up to vote in the poll

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=285641

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #14)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 08:13 AM

15. I count 28-10 once you toss out non regulars.

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Response to Kaleva (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 07:29 AM

13. Press on

 

Good job

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