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Fri Jun 1, 2012, 12:28 PM

 

Venezuela bans private gun ownership

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-18288430

Venezuela has brought a new gun law into effect which bans the commercial sale of firearms and ammunition. Until now, anyone with a gun permit could buy arms from a private company. Under the new law, only the army, police and certain groups like security companies will be able to buy arms from the state-owned weapons manufacturer and importer. The ban is the latest attempt by the government to improve security and cut crime ahead of elections in October. Venezuela saw more than 18,000 murders last year and the capital, Caracas, is thought to be one of the most dangerous cities in Latin America.

The government has been running a gun amnesty in the run-up to the introduction of the new law to try to encourage people to give up their illegal arms without fear of consequences. One member of the public in Caracas told the BBC: "They're killing people every day. This law is important but they need to do more, they're not doing enough now.

Hugo Chavez's government says the ultimate aim is to disarm all civilians, but his opponents say the police and government may not have the capacity or the will to enforce the new law. Criminal violence is set to be a major issue in presidential elections later in the year. Campaign group The Venezuela Violence Observatory said last year that violence has risen steadily since Mr Chavez took office in 1999.

Several Latin American countries have murder rates far higher than the global average of 6.9 murders per 100,000 people. According to a recent United Nations report, South America, Central America and the Caribbean have the highest rates of murder by firearms in the world. It found that over 70% of all homicides in South America are as a results of guns - in Western Europe, the figure was closer to 25%.

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Reply Venezuela bans private gun ownership (Original post)
Johnny Rico Jun 2012 OP
Callisto32 Jun 2012 #1
Hangingon Jun 2012 #2
Hoyt Jun 2012 #4
SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #5
spin Jun 2012 #9
hack89 Jun 2012 #11
Hoyt Jun 2012 #12
friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #13
friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #14
gejohnston Jun 2012 #18
Hoyt Jun 2012 #19
gejohnston Jun 2012 #20
Hoyt Jun 2012 #21
SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #22
gejohnston Jun 2012 #23
ileus Jun 2012 #3
Fredjust Jun 2012 #7
SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #10
PavePusher Jun 2012 #17
spin Jun 2012 #6
Clames Jun 2012 #8
Meiko Jun 2012 #15
mvccd1000 Jun 2012 #16

Response to Johnny Rico (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 01:55 PM

1. I will be praying for our Venezuelan friends.

This kind of stuff usually precedes something worse.

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Response to Johnny Rico (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:23 PM

2. Not much of a surprise.

Totalitarian regimes always ban guns. Actually, they waited longer than would be suspected.

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Response to Hangingon (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:23 PM

4. Yea, it was awful in England, Australia, and banning guns on streets in Scandinavia, etc.

Those poor, pitiful people.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:30 PM

5. What, no mention of Zimmerman or Loughner?

 

Can't have private citizens owning firearms, only Chavez the Thug's private army and military can have them.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 06:24 PM

9. England has a LONG history of banning or restricting weapons ...

Gun politics in the United Kingdom

***snip***

History of gun control in the United Kingdom

There were growing concerns in the sixteenth century over the use of guns and crossbows. Four acts were imposed to restrict their use.

The Bill of Rights restated the ancient rights of the people to have arms by reinstating the right of Protestants to have arms after they had been illegally disarmed by James II. The bill follows closely the Declaration of Rights made in Parliament in February 1689.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom#History_of_gun_control_in_the_United_Kingdom


If you take the time to read the entire history of gun control in the United Kingdom you will discover that British citizens are called subjects for a damn good reason.


Although the term "British subject" now has a very restrictive statutory definition in the United Kingdom, and it would therefore be incorrect to describe a British citizen as a British subject, the concept of a "subject" is still recognised by the law, and the terms "the Queen's subjects", "Her Majesty's subjects", etc., continue to be used in British legal discourse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_subject


I have never heard an American citizen called a subject. In our nation that would be considered an insult.

Are you a citizen or a subject
By: Nick Sorrentino | Culpeper Star-Exponent
Published: May 24, 2012


ts a good question. Most people probably would consider themselves a citizen, were Americans after all, not subjects of a crown.

But whats the difference?

Simply, citizens have rights- subjects have privileges. A citizen is free. A subject lives at the pleasure of the sovereign.

But being a citizen implies an element of respect from the government. Citizens, we are told are ultimately in control in our constitutional republic.
http://www2.starexponent.com/news/2012/may/24/are-you-citizen-or-subject-ar-1938302/


While the United Kingdom has often restricted firearm ownership for its subjects the United States has a long history of protecting the right of its citizens to own firearms and even carry them. While there are areas and cities in the United States such as Illinois or California, King Daley's Chicago or Bloomberg's New York City where the laws make it difficult to own firearms, the trend is that even these areas will eventually be far more firearm friendly and will stop treating their citizens as second class.





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Response to Hoyt (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 06:52 PM

11. Lots of guns in Sweden - 28th in the world

what does guns on the street have to do with Hugo's gun grab? He is banning all private ownership.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/sweden

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Response to hack89 (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 08:09 PM

12. You better go read Sweden's gun laws. You'd stroke out if someone proposed their laws here.

Besides, 28th means nothing. Iraq had the 4th largest military according to the war mongers. Did them little good.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 08:29 PM

13. How big an army did the Taliban have? They're still in Afghanistan- and the US is leaving...

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 08:31 PM

14. The large army that invaded Iraq isn't there anymore- but the Iraqis still are.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 01:54 AM

18. per capita, Scandinavia

have as many or close to it gun owner per capita as we do.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #18)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 03:16 AM

19. Try carrying one on street. Their other laws would also make you pucker.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #19)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 11:22 AM

20. Carrying in the street is more Czech Republic and Bugaria.

and your point is what?

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #20)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 11:50 AM

21. Point is simple, it's not just totalitarian regimes that "ban" guns. Advanced countries do too.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #21)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 12:09 PM

22. What advanced countries have "banned" guns.

 

And banning guns in this country will never happen.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #21)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 12:14 PM

23. the UK is the only one with a full ban

Australia's partial ban is recent. Either way, the promised drop in violent crime and suicide did not happen.

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Response to Johnny Rico (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:35 PM

3. Too bad America isn't this progressive....

or is that Progressive?

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Response to ileus (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:59 PM

7. Maybe one day, Ileus. I hope we live to see it.

 

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Response to Fredjust (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 06:26 PM

10. Unless you plan to repeal the 2ND Amendment

 

ain't never going to happen.

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Response to Fredjust (Reply #7)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 12:47 AM

17. FFS, I sure hope not.

 

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Response to Johnny Rico (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:41 PM

6. I found this part of the article interesting ...


Hugo Chavez's government says the ultimate aim is to disarm all civilians, but his opponents say the police and government may not have the capacity or the will to enforce the new law
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-18288430


Venezuela has about 29 million people and an estimated 2 to 4 million firearms in civilian hands. (sources:
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/35766.htm

http://www.insightcrime.org/insight-latest-news/item/1608-venezuela-tries-to-curb-increasingly-trigger-happy-culture)

The United States has a population over 300 million people and the number of firearms in civilian hands is estimated at somewhere around 270 million firearms.

U.S. most armed country with 90 guns per 100 people
GENEVA | Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:57pm EDT
(Reuters) - The United States has 90 guns for every 100 citizens, making it the most heavily armed society in the world, a report released on Tuesday said.

U.S. citizens own 270 million of the world's 875 million known firearms, according to the Small Arms Survey 2007 by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/08/28/us-world-firearms-idUSL2834893820070828


If it may be difficult to disarm Venezuelan citizens it would probably be even more difficult to disarm American citizens.

It is true that few in our nation who favor stronger gun control actually want to ban all firearms, however there are some who feel "assault rifles" or handguns should be banned.


Record-Low 26% in U.S. Favor Handgun Ban
Support for stricter gun laws in general is lowest Gallup has measured

by Jeffrey M. Jones
October 26, 2011

PRINCETON, NJ -- A record-low 26% of Americans favor a legal ban on the possession of handguns in the United States other than by police and other authorized people. When Gallup first asked Americans this question in 1959, 60% favored banning handguns. But since 1975, the majority of Americans have opposed such a measure, with opposition around 70% in recent years.


***snip***

For the first time, Gallup finds greater opposition to than support for a ban on semiautomatic guns or assault rifles, 53% to 43%. In the initial asking of this question in 1996, the numbers were nearly reversed, with 57% for and 42% against an assault rifle ban. Congress passed such a ban in 1994, but the law expired when Congress did not act to renew it in 2004. Around the time the law expired, Americans were about evenly divided in their views.


***snip***

Democrats, Eastern residents, members of gun non-owning households, and women were among the few subgroups to favor a ban on handguns in 1991, but now no key subgroup has a majority in favor. Those with guns in their household are least likely to favor a handgun ban.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/150341/record-low-favor-handgun-ban.aspx


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Response to Johnny Rico (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 06:12 PM

8. Well, in a couple of years...

 

...when their violence rates are still the same it will be just one more example of the failure such gun-control measures are. It won't shut up the usual suspects but it will at least take away that much more credibility from their arguments.

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Response to Johnny Rico (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 09:38 PM

15. Hugo has terminal cancer

 

is there anyone else here who thinks there are going to be any elections in October. My guess is that ole' Hugo has already selected his replacement, the next El Presidente for life, violence will of course ensue but with the sheep being disarmed the whole process will be a lot easier. Just some different thoughts on the subject.

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Response to Johnny Rico (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 12:20 AM

16. Bummer about the crime rate...

... I spent some time in Caracas in the early 90s - it was a cool city then.

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