Fri Jun 1, 2012, 12:22 PM
Johnny Rico (1,438 posts)
Oxfam: Sale of ammunition 'must be regulated'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18269837
Humanitarian charity Oxfam has launched a new campaign to call for the regulation of the sale of ammunition around the world. It comes ahead of a United Nations summit in July on bringing in a new arms trade treaty to regulate the sale of arms. Oxfam is arguing that any treaty must also regulate ammunition trade or the treaty "doesn't make sense". But a number of nations, including the US and China, oppose such a move. Egypt, Syria, Russia, Iran, Venezuela and several other countries are also against including ammunition trade in any final treaty, arguing that it will be too difficult to monitor. In a new report, Oxfam found that the global ammunitions industry for small arms and light weapons is worth $4.3bn (£2.78bn), much more than the trade in the weapons themselves, with 12 billion bullets produced a year. Anna Macdonald, head of arms control at the charity, said: "A gun without a bullet is a very large metal stick, basically. Ammunition is literally the fuel of conflict. "The trade in ammunition is lucrative, but while the monetary cost of production is low, the price paid in human lives for the trade in ammunition is incalculable." The parameters of the new treaty, if is is passed, will be worked at a month-long UN conference in July between arms companies, governments and aid agencies. A draft treaty which would ban all weapons sales to countries that fail to meet various human rights criteria has already been provisionally agreed to by 153 counties. The aim is for it to bring various international laws governing the sale of arms into one legally-binding treaty.
Oxfam says 12 billion bullets are produced each year - almost two for every person in the world ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Only two a year? Well, I guess I have my "fair share" of them at this point, with (roughly) 17,500 years of production in my inventory at this time!
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96 replies, 6554 views
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| Johnny Rico | Jun 2012 | OP | |
| safeinOhio | Jun 2012 | #1 | |
| Johnny Rico | Jun 2012 | #2 | |
| safeinOhio | Jun 2012 | #6 | |
| aikoaiko | Jun 2012 | #7 | |
| SGMRTDARMY | Jun 2012 | #8 | |
| rl6214 | Jun 2012 | #66 | |
| BiggJawn | Jun 2012 | #9 | |
| backwoodsbob | Jun 2012 | #10 | |
| Johnny Rico | Jun 2012 | #11 | |
| SGMRTDARMY | Jun 2012 | #12 | |
| safeinOhio | Jun 2012 | #14 | |
| SGMRTDARMY | Jun 2012 | #15 | |
| Simo 1939_1940 | Jun 2012 | #23 | |
| Johnny Rico | Jun 2012 | #16 | |
| ellisonz | Jun 2012 | #38 | |
| Clames | Jun 2012 | #50 | |
| ellisonz | Jun 2012 | #53 | |
| gejohnston | Jun 2012 | #63 | |
| Clames | Jun 2012 | #64 | |
| PavePusher | Jun 2012 | #72 | |
| Clames | Jun 2012 | #78 | |
| PavePusher | Jun 2012 | #71 | |
| ellisonz | Jun 2012 | #76 | |
| SGMRTDARMY | Jun 2012 | #17 | |
| gejohnston | Jun 2012 | #18 | |
| safeinOhio | Jun 2012 | #20 | |
| SGMRTDARMY | Jun 2012 | #22 | |
| PavePusher | Jun 2012 | #73 | |
| GreenStormCloud | Jun 2012 | #87 | |
| Meiko | Jun 2012 | #46 | |
| Simo 1939_1940 | Jun 2012 | #24 | |
| safeinOhio | Jun 2012 | #25 | |
| gejohnston | Jun 2012 | #26 | |
| safeinOhio | Jun 2012 | #27 | |
| gejohnston | Jun 2012 | #28 | |
| safeinOhio | Jun 2012 | #29 | |
| gejohnston | Jun 2012 | #30 | |
| safeinOhio | Jun 2012 | #32 | |
| gejohnston | Jun 2012 | #36 | |
| PavePusher | Jun 2012 | #74 | |
| Clames | Jun 2012 | #80 | |
| aikoaiko | Jun 2012 | #37 | |
| Tejas | Jun 2012 | #85 | |
| Glassunion | Jun 2012 | #19 | |
| Johnny Rico | Jun 2012 | #31 | |
| Clames | Jun 2012 | #13 | |
| Tuesday Afternoon | Jun 2012 | #21 | |
| PavePusher | Jun 2012 | #70 | |
| Remmah2 | Jun 2012 | #84 | |
| ProgressiveProfessor | Jun 2012 | #3 | |
| mvccd1000 | Jun 2012 | #4 | |
| PavePusher | Jun 2012 | #5 | |
| ellisonz | Jun 2012 | #39 | |
| petronius | Jun 2012 | #40 | |
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Response to Johnny Rico (Original post)
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 12:30 PM
safeinOhio (7,477 posts)
1. 35,000 rounds?
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Ever think about going on the show Hoarders.
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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #1)
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 12:38 PM
Johnny Rico (1,438 posts)
2. I like having 300 to 400 rounds for each gun in the collection.
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In any case, all the ammo fits in a couple of closets.
The guns? Not so much... |
Response to Johnny Rico (Reply #2)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:16 AM
safeinOhio (7,477 posts)
6. While impressing your fellow gun extremest, your post
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does little to sway anyone that is not a gun extremest. Perhaps you post this stuff just to piss off all the others.
Lets see, you post here about 9 times per day, average for the last 90 days. You have about 90 guns, must be worth at least 30 to 40 grand. 35,000 rounds of bullets, must be at least another 4 or 5 grand. You and the other folks that have posted, all think this is cool, and yet none of you can afford 5 bucks to support this forum that you most likely, by post count, spend more time on than at the range. Of course this doesn't even count your dues to the NRA. Hint, if you want to convince others you are democrats and not gun nuts, buy a star and quit bragging about your vast arsenals. I'm not anti-gun. I own about 8 guns and have 400 rounds of 22s on hand, that's what I shoot at the range and another 200 rounds of other. I have a CCW and support the right for legal gun owners to buy guns and carry them. I also support better training for CCW permits and registration of handguns, along with mandatory background checks on all handgun sales, including private sales. I also post on many topics that relate to liberal causes. I'm semi-retired on a fixed income and take personal responsibility for supporting forums that I use, like this one, with my donations. I think I can influence more people to accept gun ownership, which goes a long way to maintaining our gun rights, than those that post this kind of comment. You do a disservice to the gun cause and only cause others to question people that own guns. |
Response to safeinOhio (Reply #6)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 09:15 AM
aikoaiko (16,620 posts)
7. No, it is you who does a disservice to this forum to suggest a star is need to be taken seriously.
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Last edited Sat Jun 2, 2012, 09:17 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) How utterly fucking embarrassing for you that you don't realize it.
Disagree with the content of his post, but don't pull this "you must pay to play" bullshit. |
Response to aikoaiko (Reply #7)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 09:30 AM
SGMRTDARMY (599 posts)
8. He's pulled this crap before
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not buying a star don't mean jack and his constant battering of gun owners tells us just where he really stands. I just laugh and move on.
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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #7)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 09:44 PM
rl6214 (7,527 posts)
66. He's done that shit to me mannnyyyy times.
Response to safeinOhio (Reply #6)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 10:18 AM
BiggJawn (23,051 posts)
9. I got a star.
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I'm a "Star-Belly Sneetch", does that give ME more street cred than anybody else?
Shame on you for trying to put Grovel-Bot out of a job. |
Response to safeinOhio (Reply #6)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 11:59 AM
backwoodsbob (4,876 posts)
10. wow...hyperbole much
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I've had up to 50k rounds at once before.It's no big deal.
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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #6)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 12:09 PM
Johnny Rico (1,438 posts)
11. Why in the world do you care how much I've spent on guns?
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Last edited Sat Jun 2, 2012, 02:11 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2) (just for the record, I prefer to invest in high-grade curio & relic pistols, so the collection is worth more like $75 grand
Hint, if you want to convince others you are democrats and not gun nuts, Who says you can't be both? buy a star and quit bragging about your vast arsenals. I don't care how you spend your money. Why do you care how I spend mine? I also post on many topics that relate to liberal causes. As do I. Only 25% of my posts are in this group; I mostly post in GD. On the other hand, I see that 52% of your posts are in this group, so if anyone is spending the majority of their posting time obsessing with guns, it's not me...! I also support...registration of handguns, along with mandatory background checks on all handgun sales, including private sales. How nice for you! I support none of those. It's none of The State's business. I think I can influence more people to accept gun ownership, which goes a long way to maintaining our gun rights, than those that post this kind of comment. You do a disservice to the gun cause and only cause others to question people that own guns. Influence anti-gun people on this forum to be more accepting of gun rights? I'm sure Hoyt and the late, unlamented Iverglas will be coming around to the pro-gun rights side any day now... No one here is changing minds and influencing people. While there may be the extremely rare exceptions, all the millions of posts on this site which address politics do is either: a) reinforce long-held opinions ("Conservatives suck!" "Ditto!"), or b) allow people to engage in confrontational arguments that sway neither side ("Guns are horrible, ban 'em!" "Out of my cold dead hands, you blankety-blank...") Granted, if you include the Lounge, another option appears. c) "Here's a picture of a funny cat." "LOL!" |
Response to Johnny Rico (Reply #11)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 12:18 PM
SGMRTDARMY (599 posts)
12. I agree with you
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Its none of his damned business what we spend our money on, I myself have a collection worth appox. $100,000, this includes ammo, mags., and accessories.
I find his post very disturbing and he shoud modify it. |
Response to SGMRTDARMY (Reply #12)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:05 PM
safeinOhio (7,477 posts)
14. If you find my post very disturbing, please
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feel free to report it and send it to a jury.
Thank everyone for their opinion. I'm happy to help provide this forum for all of you rich folks. It is a privilege and an honor to do so. |
Response to safeinOhio (Reply #14)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:21 PM
SGMRTDARMY (599 posts)
15. I don't alert.
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I prefer for all to see the posts.
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Response to SGMRTDARMY (Reply #15)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 10:20 PM
Simo 1939_1940 (768 posts)
23. X 100 NT
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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #14)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:29 PM
Johnny Rico (1,438 posts)
16. You think having the sorts of collections talked about in this thread makes one "rich"?
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By world standards, granted...but certainly not by U.S. standards. |
Response to Johnny Rico (Reply #16)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 01:37 PM
ellisonz (26,326 posts)
38. What is with you people and the Princess Bride?
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I swear, I had to even look up the reference, and then I giggled at the childish nature of the infatuation with whatever meme-value it had. I swear, if I didn't know any better, I would say some of you haven't progressed much beyond the age of dolls and action figures...
(Note to jurors: it's true, you'll see them bust this one out every time they try to distort the underpinnings of a factual analysis.) P.S. Rob Reiner would laugh so hard he would have a heart attack if he saw his film being used in this way. |
Response to ellisonz (Reply #38)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 03:39 PM
Clames (2,038 posts)
50. Sad you had to look that up...
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Last edited Sun Jun 3, 2012, 03:40 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) ...guess you don't get out too much
Given some of the tantrums and insults you display pretty much removes any doubt that dolls, action figures and coloring books make up a large part of your activities away from DU. |
Response to Clames (Reply #50)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 04:06 PM
ellisonz (26,326 posts)
53. Yeah I'm cool with not being obsessed with a meme...
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Last edited Sun Jun 3, 2012, 04:17 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2) ...from a 1987 children's movie. I do interact with children often so yeah I play with kids toys with kids. What's your excuse? Replace your stuffed animal collection with guns?
How are you with small animals? P.S. Iverglas wasn't banned for anything having to do with the Gungeon. In fact, the vast majority of DU applauds her efforts. Why are you here again? |
Response to ellisonz (Reply #53)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 04:39 PM
gejohnston (12,825 posts)
63. what about small animals?
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Iverglas wasn't banned for anything having to do with the Gungeon. True, she could get away with her irrational rants here, but taking them to Meta and LBGT was too much. BTW, what does she have against lesbians and trans-gendered?
In fact, the vast majority of DU applauds her efforts. Why are you here again? I don't know about that. The party in Meta didn't look like a wake to me. |
Response to ellisonz (Reply #53)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 09:19 PM
Clames (2,038 posts)
64. Wrong on more counts...
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...your aren't s much swinging as blindly flailing...
I'm great with animals small and large too. What you are trying to insinuate just proves you really have no lower bounds when it comes to childish insults. PS: I didn't say iverglas was banned for anything dealing with this group in particular. She did often attempt to instruct jurors in a preemptive manner. Shouldn't have to do that unless you have problems keeping to a civil discussion. |
Response to ellisonz (Reply #53)
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:22 AM
PavePusher (15,374 posts)
72. "In fact, the vast majority of DU applauds her efforts."
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So, if enough people "applaud... efforts", we can say that 2+3=4, amIright?
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Response to PavePusher (Reply #72)
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 01:28 AM
Clames (2,038 posts)
78. He must have missed...
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...the 1000+ post thread applauding her removal from DU. Majority spoke and her "efforts" are now old news and their absence is not much lamented..
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Response to ellisonz (Reply #38)
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:20 AM
PavePusher (15,374 posts)
71. What, you ran out of cartoons to post?
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Last edited Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:21 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Mirror, mirror, on the wall....
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Response to PavePusher (Reply #71)
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 01:17 AM
ellisonz (26,326 posts)
76. Nope - whole bunch more lately (it's backlash)
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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #14)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:40 PM
SGMRTDARMY (599 posts)
17. Rich? Hardly.
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I live on my military pension.
Its taken me years to acquire the firearm collection I have today. The only thing I'm rich in is my life experiences, so take your little snarky remarks elsewhere please. |
Response to SGMRTDARMY (Reply #17)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 09:48 PM
safeinOhio (7,477 posts)
20. Sorry you feel that way.
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Feel free to post your thoughts. Thank God someone is here to pay for this site so you may do so. I'm more than happy to help supply you with the this forum. I would ask those that use it and do have the funds to help keep it going. I too am retired and do work a couple of days at a week at a minimum wage job to pay for my extras in life. I'm glad my donation helps you have a place to post. This is not a snarky remark, it is heart felt, and because I help support this place, I feel no need to take my comments anywhere else.
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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #20)
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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #20)
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:25 AM
PavePusher (15,374 posts)
73. "Thank God someone is here to pay for this site so you may do so."
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So, how much of this sites finances come through "donations" and how much via the ad banners?
Seems to me the biggest perk, aside from the bragging, would be the absence of the ads... or do you still get them? |
Response to safeinOhio (Reply #20)
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:04 PM
GreenStormCloud (10,319 posts)
87. I pay for my use by having ads on my screen.
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The money DU gets from ads spends just as well as donation money.
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Response to SGMRTDARMY (Reply #17)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 02:52 PM
Meiko (1,076 posts)
46. That pretty much says it all
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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #14)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 10:22 PM
Simo 1939_1940 (768 posts)
24. "I'm happy to help provide this forum for all of you rich folks."
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Ahhhh.......so now it's clear that petty jealousy is at play here. Thanks for clearing that up! |
Response to Simo 1939_1940 (Reply #24)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 10:28 PM
safeinOhio (7,477 posts)
25. I'm glad I was able to do that for you.
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Class warfare has started.
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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #25)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 10:32 PM
gejohnston (12,825 posts)
26. since you are having a war
Response to gejohnston (Reply #26)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 10:36 PM
safeinOhio (7,477 posts)
27. This is all I could afford.
Response to safeinOhio (Reply #27)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 10:40 PM
gejohnston (12,825 posts)
28. I have one of those too
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you have good taste in pistols. I love Walthers. Found a TPH at a gun show last month. That is not your CCW is it?
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Response to gejohnston (Reply #28)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 10:43 PM
safeinOhio (7,477 posts)
29. Half the time, this is the other
Response to safeinOhio (Reply #29)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 10:51 PM
gejohnston (12,825 posts)
30. Don't see many Seecamps
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interesting choice.
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Response to gejohnston (Reply #30)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 11:09 PM
safeinOhio (7,477 posts)
32. The small gun you have is much more effective
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than the large gun you don't have. FBI statistic show most gun fights are at 7 feet away and only about 10% of those six shots fired hit a target. My little pea shooters are very fast and accurate. If I can get off a couple of shots, I have a good chance of escaping before I am shot.
The only time I have fired a gun in self-defense was against a 100 lb feral rottweiler. One shot in the shoulder and it howled a death scream, turned and ran away. That proved to me you can put a world of hurt on with a 22 or 32. On my person, I never carry anything larger. My little Seecamp can be well hidden wearing tight running shorts and a tank top. A 45, not so much. My philosophy of self-defense is to get away as fast and safely as possible. But that is just me. I fear dogs more than people. I've had guns pulled on me a few times while I was unarmed and managed to be either quicker or talk my way out. There is not much talking to a mad dog. A small caliber is less likely to kill anyone in the cross fire too. |
Response to safeinOhio (Reply #32)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:38 AM
gejohnston (12,825 posts)
36. I was not knocking the calibers
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Last edited Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:47 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) My FIL carried a Beretta Tomcat. I would use a smaller .22 like the TPH, if I were to use a .22. Seecamps are good guns, just rare and expensive. .32s were common police rounds at one time. IIRC, West Germany used Walther PPs in .32 until the the 1970s when they switched to a 9mm. Instead of destroying them, they sold them on the commercial market. Interarms bought some and importing them to the US. I remember that only because the number of Walther PPs showing up in pawn shops in my hometown.
My theory of self-defense is to what is tactically the best thing to do at the time. Not something I never put much thought in mostly because I have either lead a charmed life or just do a good job of avoiding and deterring even in places like Manila. If I were to get a CCW, I would go for either .32 or .380. Problem with the latter is that it is too popular and was impossible to find during the great ammo shortage. The few I could find was being sold by gouging assholes. My HSc stayed home from the range. |
Response to safeinOhio (Reply #32)
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:27 AM
PavePusher (15,374 posts)
74. Well said. n/t
Response to safeinOhio (Reply #29)
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 02:43 AM
Clames (2,038 posts)
80. Owning a Walther...
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...and a Seecamp doesn't exactly put you in with the paupers. In fact, the current asking price for a LWS 380 would put one in the market for a H&K.
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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #14)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 12:14 PM
aikoaiko (16,620 posts)
37. Your false humility is noted.
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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #14)
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 11:03 AM
Tejas (4,759 posts)
85. Your lust with Johnny Rico's stats is what's disturbing.
Response to safeinOhio (Reply #6)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 04:14 PM
Clames (2,038 posts)
13. I've seen members here with 20,000+ posts...
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...and no star by their name. Do you actually have a point with that? I influence people into gun ownership quite regularly. I do so by training them. I do so by discussion of laws governing CCW permits and regulations. I do so by discussing actual common sense measures that would impact crime and not on laws that do nothing but add burden to people looking to exercise a Constitutional right.
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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #6)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 10:00 PM
Tuesday Afternoon (44,874 posts)
21. 5 bucks? since when?
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Last edited Sat Jun 2, 2012, 10:04 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) news to me. Oh wait... you mean 5 bucks per month .... yeah, right.
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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #6)
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:17 AM
PavePusher (15,374 posts)
70. So, you get to draw the lines, eh?
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Please state exactly what limits are O.K., and what is not, so we can all march in step.
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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #6)
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 09:44 AM
Remmah2 (3,291 posts)
84. "35,000 rounds of bullets"
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Terminology fail.
"Bullets" without powder, primer, case are inert. |
Response to safeinOhio (Reply #1)
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 07:31 PM
ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)
3. 500 rounds per firearm is a good number
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The volume discounts starting kicking in around there.
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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #1)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 12:15 AM
mvccd1000 (1,534 posts)
4. I've never had that much...
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... but it's easy to go through 500 rounds in a single morning of plinking out in the desert. If you happen to like to go more than once a week, I can see buying ammo by the case, especially if you can avoid paying retail prices by doing so.
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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #1)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 12:50 AM
PavePusher (15,374 posts)
5. Costco. Sam's Club.
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Anyone who buys in bulk is a whacko, I'm sure....
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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #1)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 01:43 PM
ellisonz (26,326 posts)
39. He's preparing for the revolution...
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...one of those "prepper" types.
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Response to ellisonz (Reply #39)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 01:57 PM
petronius (19,787 posts)
40. You do know that buying non-perishable items in bulk is a great way to save money, right?
Response to petronius (Reply #40)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 02:02 PM
ellisonz (26,326 posts)
41. It also can be a sign of hoarding...
Response to ellisonz (Reply #41)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 02:10 PM
petronius (19,787 posts)
42. Who are you calling a "right-wing nut"?
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And who mentioned MREs?
Seriously, if you don't perceive the vast gulf between cost-effective bulk buying and any sort of clinically-defined hoarding, then you should cut up both your Costco card and your membership in the Amateur Internet Psychiatrist Club... |
Response to petronius (Reply #42)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 02:12 PM
ellisonz (26,326 posts)
43. I'm calling preppers right-wing nuts...
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Hey you mentioned non-perishable foods...
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/doomsday-preppers/ |
Response to ellisonz (Reply #43)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 02:16 PM
gejohnston (12,825 posts)
44. guilt by association anyone?
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sounds like it. Some preppers are left wing nuts. Besides, if you live near the coast, non-perishables and water is a good thing to have around during hurricane season.
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Response to ellisonz (Reply #43)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 02:50 PM
petronius (19,787 posts)
45. "Item" =/= "food"
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And it still looks likes you called another DUer a prepper = RW nut. not cool... |
Response to petronius (Reply #45)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 02:59 PM
ellisonz (26,326 posts)
47. We're talking about hoarding...
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...and motives thereof.
How else would you describe someone with enough ammunition to wage a small scale guerrilla war? |
Response to ellisonz (Reply #47)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 03:06 PM
petronius (19,787 posts)
48. No, we never were. We *were* talking about a DUer who
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saved some money in a common and rational way, but now we're talking about your biases, amateur diagnoses, and unprovoked personal attacks on that DUer.
Why don't you just admit to your petty and knee-jerk attempt to insult a gun-ownig DUer, and apologize for the disruption? |
Response to petronius (Reply #48)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 03:31 PM
ellisonz (26,326 posts)
49. I'm capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time...
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Last edited Sun Jun 3, 2012, 03:39 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) ...a fuck-ton of ammunition and non-perishable food supply screams right-wing prepper.
Also, that's not frugal, that's nutty, you're buying shit you don't need barring the end of civilization. |
Response to ellisonz (Reply #49)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 03:40 PM
gejohnston (12,825 posts)
51. you assume way too much.
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Last edited Sun Jun 3, 2012, 04:11 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Where did he say anything about "end of the world Mad Max stuff?" Are you saying NOAA and FEMA are crazy right wing sites?
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/prepare/ready.php http://www.ready.gov/basic-disaster-supplies-kit buying stuff you are going to use in bulk is not hoarding. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsive_hoarding 500 rounds a fucking ton? Get fucking real. For me, that is about four or five trips to the range. I bought artsy canisters of Remington .22 rounds. Each canister had paintings by Fredrick Remington. The complete set of four had about 10K rounds. Here is a question, where do you get that preppers are mostly right wing? What if they were mostly left wing? Why does it matter where they fit on the oversimplified and mostly imaginary left/right scale? Just because I follow NOAA's and my state government's advise on preparing for hurricanes (or tornado when I was in Kansas) does not mean I am expecting to enjoy life in a nuclear wasteland. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivalism |
Response to gejohnston (Reply #51)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 04:06 PM
ellisonz (26,326 posts)
54. OP referenced 35,000 rounds. n/t
Response to ellisonz (Reply #49)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 04:08 PM
petronius (19,787 posts)
55. Your athletic abilities aren't the issue here, ellison
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Why are you so intent on doubling- and tripling-down in your personal attacks against another DUer (RW, "nutty", preparing for guerrilla war)?
Aside from your willful disregard for courtesy and civil discourse, all you're really demonstrating is your ignorance of recreational shooting and a strange incomprehension of basic shopping strategies... |
Response to petronius (Reply #55)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 04:11 PM
ellisonz (26,326 posts)
57. There are no right-wingers in the DU Gungeon.
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Response to ellisonz (Reply #57)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 04:16 PM
petronius (19,787 posts)
58. Nice non-response - is it so hard to take responsibility for your own behavior?
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Response to petronius (Reply #58)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 04:21 PM
ellisonz (26,326 posts)
59. I don't see anything wrong with my behavior, pops.
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Response to ellisonz (Reply #59)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 04:33 PM
petronius (19,787 posts)
60. You have unprovokedly accused another DUer of being "nutty," RW,
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preparing for a guerrilla war, and suffering from a mental illness - all in this one short sub-thread. And you honestly don't see how your behavior is seriously inappropriate?
(Not to mention that question about small animals you posted up thread - I'm not sure what to make of that.) |
Response to petronius (Reply #60)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 04:36 PM
ellisonz (26,326 posts)
62. And I regret none of it...
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Good Day Mr. Manners
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Response to petronius (Reply #60)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 11:21 PM
Clames (2,038 posts)
67. He's got issues.
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Don't think he'll be long following a recently departed DU'er. Only so much tolerance for making DU suck these days...
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Response to petronius (Reply #48)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 11:25 PM
ileus (9,309 posts)
69. everyone knows 2a supporters are trolls
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Get with the program...real democrats don't believe in the 2A.
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Response to ellisonz (Reply #47)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 03:54 PM
Clames (2,038 posts)
52. Wrong again.
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Chalk up another strike for slugger.
You are insulting people in an ignorant and all to obvious way. Coming from you that isn't terribly surprising but calling those who even take relatively small steps towards emergency preparedness right wing nuts is a new low. Pity you are so ignorant of the efforts of those who are trying to make sure events like Katrina and Joplin cause minimal human suffering. Disgusting |
Response to Clames (Reply #52)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 04:09 PM
ellisonz (26,326 posts)
56. "those who are trying to make sure events like Katrina and Joplin"
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Yeah clearly the problem in those cases was an insufficient supply of arms and ammunition to the populace -
BTW if you haven't noticed - this is a Democratic board - rational emergency preparedness is not 35,000 rounds of ammunition. |
Response to ellisonz (Reply #56)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 04:34 PM
gejohnston (12,825 posts)
61. was he talking about ammo in that situation?
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BTW if you haven't noticed - this is a Democratic board - rational emergency preparedness is not 35,000 rounds of ammunition. That depends. If you have to hunt for food and your marksmanship sucks as bad as Sarah Palin's 35K is rational.
That aside, the 35K rounds could be a couple of boxes for a large and diverse collection. OTOH, maybe getting a great deal of something you are going to use at the range anyway. |
Response to ellisonz (Reply #56)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 09:26 PM
Clames (2,038 posts)
65. In case you haven't noticed...
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..you are not an authority on all things Democratic. Not even close
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Response to ellisonz (Reply #56)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 11:21 PM
Johnny Rico (1,438 posts)
68. Who said it was for emergency preparedness?
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Each time I purchase a gun, I like to get 300 to 400 rounds to go with it.
On a side note, it is interesting how often we see you attack the character of a poster rather than his or her arguments. That's normally indicative of someone who has no logical support for their position. And on with that, I'll have to bow out of the conversation for a while. Having a partial nephrectomy (kidney removal) does put a bit of a crimp in one's internet coversations, and pre-op begins tomorrow morning. I barely have time to order a few hundred rounds of 7.65x22 French Long for the 1935A (it's Nazi-marked in 97%!) that showed up at my door shortly before I flew out here to Cleveland Clinic for my operation. Having a C&R FFL is fun! |
Response to Johnny Rico (Reply #68)
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 01:19 AM
ellisonz (26,326 posts)
77. Don't die on us now...
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Response to ellisonz (Reply #77)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 08:08 PM
Johnny Rico (1,438 posts)
90. Still here!
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Back home, things went well. Now for post-op recovery. Whee....
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Response to Johnny Rico (Reply #68)
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 01:38 AM
petronius (19,787 posts)
79. Best of luck with the operation - I hope it goes smoothly and painlessly!
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Response to petronius (Reply #79)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 08:13 PM
Johnny Rico (1,438 posts)
91. It did go well! They were able to save most of my kidney.
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As for being painless, I can now attest that morphine is great. Didn't feel a thing until they took it away...now I'm home and making do with percoset.
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Response to Johnny Rico (Reply #91)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 09:25 PM
PavePusher (15,374 posts)
92. So, you're trying to say....
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...that you won't feel up to shooting magnum rifles for a few days?
Glad everything went well, here's to a smooth recovery... |
Response to PavePusher (Reply #92)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:05 PM
Johnny Rico (1,438 posts)
93. Rimfires have an entirely new appeal at the moment.
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The No. 5 Mk 1 Jungle Carbine and M44 M-N carbine are going to continue gathering dust for a while...I might be up to shooting my Walther PPK, but only if I use the 4mm conversion kit. .32 ACP is a bit too much for me to handle right now!
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Response to Johnny Rico (Reply #91)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:08 PM
petronius (19,787 posts)
94. Great news! Glad to see you back...
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Response to Johnny Rico (Reply #91)
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 06:57 PM
oneshooter (5,948 posts)
95. Welcome back!!! Glad to hear that you survived your journey under the knife.
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Start slow, maybe a nice 22 pistol, slow fire. Then work your way up to a 32cal then a 38. Got to get into shape before tackeling the larger ones.
Oneshooter Armed and Livin in Texas |
Response to oneshooter (Reply #95)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 08:30 AM
Johnny Rico (1,438 posts)
96. Thanks! Recovery does take a while...
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Yesterday was the first day that I went most of the day without taking a percoset...a 15" incision takes a while to heal!
As for pistols, I still haven't shot my new Ruger Mk III, and it should be a hoot to fire with the silencer I got got for it ("only" 7 months for the paperwork to clear on that...). Maybe in a couple of weeks. |
Response to ellisonz (Reply #39)
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 09:02 AM
Marengo (662 posts)
83. Did he actually say he was "preparing for the revolution"?
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I don't see it in the OP but could very well have missed it there or elsewhere in the thread.
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Response to ellisonz (Reply #39)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 08:32 AM
Marengo (662 posts)
88. I'm going to ask again: Did he actually say he was "preparing for the revolution"? N/T
Response to Johnny Rico (Original post)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 12:17 AM
BiggJawn (23,051 posts)
33. Worked some overtime last week
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Can of M-2 HXP and 2 SPAM cans of 7.62X54 on the way... Another brick of .22, some more .45 ACP...
And with all these freakin' cannibals running around loose, maybe I should get some of that Zombie Max stuff... |
Response to BiggJawn (Reply #33)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 12:25 AM
oneshooter (5,948 posts)
34. Where did you find M2 HXP? And how much?
Response to oneshooter (Reply #34)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:16 AM
BiggJawn (23,051 posts)
35. CMP
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$98 for a can of 200 loose. Most of it mid-70's.
I'm 1/2 way through my first can full. www.odcmp.org |
Response to BiggJawn (Reply #35)
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:33 AM
PavePusher (15,374 posts)
75. What's your opinion of the HPX?
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I'm seriously considering getting some, and I don't even have a Garand yet. But it should work well in my Eddystone, if I ever get it cleaned up and the sights fixed...
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Response to PavePusher (Reply #75)
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 08:07 AM
BiggJawn (23,051 posts)
81. Well, with nothing else to compare it to...
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Hard to say. It loads, it goes "BANG!" it cycles the action... It will work in any .30-06 arm.
As to accuracy, I think it's more accurate than I am. |
Response to PavePusher (Reply #75)
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 08:26 AM
oneshooter (5,948 posts)
82. HPX is Greek manufactured M2 ball. It is very clean shooting , non corrosive, and
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very accurate ammo. I currently have only 3 crates of it and am looking to restock. It is available,or was, in both 8rd Garand clips or 5rd strippers.
Great ammo for the price. Oneshooter Armed and Livin in Texas |
Response to Johnny Rico (Original post)
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 11:09 AM
Tejas (4,759 posts)
86. Is this why Academy no longer stocks 9x18?
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It was $10/50 in their Monarch brand, now only Gander Mountain has Blazer at $27/50. Are Academy and Dander Mountain in cahoots? Is it a plot to price small arms owners out of the market?
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Response to Johnny Rico (Original post)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 07:19 PM
L0oniX (17,992 posts)



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