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Sun Apr 29, 2012, 10:41 AM

Man accused of pointing gun at another at Little League ballgame

http://www.bendbulletin.com/article/20120429/NEWS0107/204290398/

QUILCENE — A Washington man was arrested Saturday evening at a Little League field after he threatened another man with a gun during an altercation. The suspect, 58, was booked into Jefferson County jail on charges of assault in the first degree, reckless endangerment, and harassment, police said.

Witnesses told police that the suspect was using “loud and profane” language when another spectator, a 64-year-old Quilcene man asked him to watch his language in front of the children. The suspect then allegedly walked to his car, leading the witnesses to believe he was leaving. However, he returned with a handgun.

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Reply Man accused of pointing gun at another at Little League ballgame (Original post)
jpak Apr 2012 OP
Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2012 #1
bottomofthehill Apr 2012 #2
spin Apr 2012 #21
Hoyt Apr 2012 #3
bottomofthehill Apr 2012 #4
ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #6
rl6214 May 2012 #52
Hoyt May 2012 #53
rl6214 May 2012 #57
geckosfeet Apr 2012 #5
mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #7
jpak Apr 2012 #11
Meiko Apr 2012 #28
rl6214 May 2012 #54
bahrbearian Apr 2012 #12
saras Apr 2012 #14
mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #32
rl6214 May 2012 #55
rrneck Apr 2012 #8
Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #17
rrneck Apr 2012 #18
oneshooter Apr 2012 #19
rrneck Apr 2012 #20
DanTex Apr 2012 #9
shadowrider Apr 2012 #10
ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #24
iverglas Apr 2012 #33
gejohnston Apr 2012 #35
DanTex Apr 2012 #37
gejohnston Apr 2012 #38
DanTex Apr 2012 #40
gejohnston Apr 2012 #41
DanTex Apr 2012 #42
gejohnston Apr 2012 #43
DanTex Apr 2012 #44
gejohnston Apr 2012 #45
DanTex Apr 2012 #46
gejohnston Apr 2012 #47
DanTex Apr 2012 #48
gejohnston Apr 2012 #49
DanTex Apr 2012 #39
slackmaster Apr 2012 #50
Bonhomme Richard Apr 2012 #13
oneshooter Apr 2012 #15
Logical Apr 2012 #30
rl6214 May 2012 #56
Logical May 2012 #62
rl6214 May 2012 #63
spin Apr 2012 #22
PavePusher Apr 2012 #23
Meiko Apr 2012 #29
iverglas Apr 2012 #34
Meiko May 2012 #58
iverglas May 2012 #59
DanTex May 2012 #61
ileus May 2012 #64
ileus Apr 2012 #16
KT2000 Apr 2012 #25
sarisataka Apr 2012 #26
KT2000 Apr 2012 #31
ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #27
iverglas Apr 2012 #36
ileus Apr 2012 #51
HALO141 May 2012 #60

Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 10:54 AM

1. The stand your park bench doctrine.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 10:55 AM

2. Stand your ground

It is simple, this guy was obviously protecting his first amendment rights with his second amendment rights. who does this 64 year old guy think he is telling an armed citizen he can not curse in front of children at a little league baseball game.

The 58 year old was terrified for his life and introduced a handgun into the situation to show the children how to act in this type of situation.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 02:45 PM

21. Obviously you have absolutely no understanding about the "Stand Your Ground" laws ...

I suggest you spend a little time doing some research rather than relying on the media to form your opinion.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:01 AM

3. Law-abiding gun culture member. Good thing he wasn't in a bar or something.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:05 AM

4. true that

Nothing fuels the flames like a few drinks.

Guns and Alcohol dont mix. I have a friend who says "alcohol always wins".. I have seen that true, couple of drinks and somthing stupid is bound to happen.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:06 AM

6. Because that would have made it doubly illegal?


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Response to Hoyt (Reply #3)

Tue May 1, 2012, 11:30 AM

52. Oh no, a story with the word GUN in it...

 

Don't get your panties all in a bunch, if someone does a criminal act, arrest them, try them and IF convicted (not before like you would like to do) throw them in jail.





















At least you didn't use the word ZIMMERMAN in this post

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Response to rl6214 (Reply #52)

Tue May 1, 2012, 12:33 PM

53. Yea, a "man" with a gun who used it to intimidate people at a little league ball game.

It's a little bit late after the fact, just like Zimmerman.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #53)

Tue May 1, 2012, 01:26 PM

57. There ya go, now you got your zimmerman in there

 






















What a joke.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:05 AM

5. This guy will have his license to carry (if he even has one) revoked.

Depending on local regulations, an assault conviction will prohibit him from owning a firearm.

Can't say I would feel sorry the idiot.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:12 AM

7. So you complain...

... when the law doesn't work as you think it should (Martin/Zimmerman), and you complain again when the law does work as it should (moron arrested for assault and probably several other charges).

That's productive.

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Response to mvccd1000 (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:46 AM

11. Yeah - I complain when racist vigilantes hunt down and kill black kids

You can count on it.

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #11)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 09:49 PM

28. When did that

 

happen?

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Response to jpak (Reply #11)

Tue May 1, 2012, 01:13 PM

54. do you even know the definition of a vigilante?

 

I don't think so

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Response to mvccd1000 (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:59 AM

12. We're you not complaining about Zimmerman running free ?

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Response to mvccd1000 (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:13 PM

14. The law DIDN'T work. An innocent person got a gun shoved in their face.

 

I'd want five years of GOOD therapy for that - I'd want to get back to the place where that fear is completely gone, otherwise the fucker still owes me.

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Response to saras (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 04:57 AM

32. How do you venture out during the day?

Therapy? For an assault or a robbery? I don't think your fear will ever be gone.

How many years of therapy does it take you to get over a bad breakup or a cake that falls flat?

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Response to mvccd1000 (Reply #32)

Tue May 1, 2012, 01:15 PM

55. "How many years of therapy does it take you to get over a bad breakup or a cake that falls flat?"

 

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:18 AM

8. Bang that drum! Shake those psrtisan poms poms!

HEY! You didn't get a harumph from that guy!

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Response to rrneck (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 01:20 PM

17. Harumph!

 

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Response to Johnny Rico (Reply #17)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 01:35 PM

18. That's better.

Here y'go, in lieu of pay.



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Response to rrneck (Reply #18)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 01:51 PM

19. If you changed that rubber ball to a can of beans.

Then hoyt can carry it for self defence against mad men with knives.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

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Response to oneshooter (Reply #19)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 01:55 PM

20. Bet he could even open it under water. nt

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:26 AM

9. A typical "Defensive Gun Use".

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Response to DanTex (Reply #9)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:38 AM

10. Whatever

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Response to DanTex (Reply #9)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 08:24 PM

24. You have a odd definition of "defensive".

Or you forgot the sarcasm tag.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 07:53 AM

33. can't wait for Kleck's next survey!

 

One more death averted by the timely display of a firearm.

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Response to iverglas (Reply #33)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 10:22 AM

35. Given that Kleck's survey

is backed up by 15 others (some older, dating back to the 1970s), including one funded by the Joyce Foundation (Phil Cook who used a smaller sample and got 1.5 million).

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #35)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 11:49 AM

37. Actually, Kleck himself admitted that his survey was a fraud.

And his co-author Gertz conceded that the methodology was completely inadequate to measure DGUs.

That was after a panel of seventy-four highly respected criminologists issued a unanimous statement about how the Kleck-Gertz study should never have been published, and it was an embarrassment to the field.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 12:00 PM

38. really?

where is the evidence?
Did the American Society of Criminology take away the Michael J. Hindelang Award from Kleck? Has he been fired from FSU as head of the criminology department?
Or is it another case of "I think and imagine so it must be fact" like your Bill Frist style tele-diagnosis of "toters" and self defense expertize?

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #38)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 12:18 PM

40. Evidence? Like the kind you provide? LOL!

I figured since you just make stuff up out of thin air, I would try it too! The "gejohnston method".

And I'll say, it's pretty fun! I'm starting to understand why you don't bother with the truth very often!

I think he's still at FSU. He couldn't get a job anywhere else, and even there he had to bribe the board of directors, but luck for him he managed to get the NRA to put up the cash.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #40)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 12:36 PM

41. really?

I figured since you just make stuff up out of thin air, I would try it too! The "gejohnston method".

No, I was learning from the best, the DanTex method.

And I'll say, it's pretty fun! I'm starting to understand why you don't bother with the truth very often!

disprove anything I have ever said.

I think he's still at FSU. He couldn't get a job anywhere else, and even there he had to bribe the board of directors, but luck for him he managed to get the NRA to put up the cash.

Couldn't get a job anyplace else? GW Bush could not get in FSU for the same reason University of Texas turned him down, because of his lack of merit. Harvard put his "legacy" ahead of his merit, and gave him a "gentleman's C" for showing up to class once in awhile. Harvard is a good school, but the Ivy League's habit of admitting stupid rich kids without merit makes them kind of overrated.
You mean the way Joyce Foundation funds Hemenway's department?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JoyceFoundationGunControlFundingR1.png

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #41)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 12:44 PM

42. LOL. Disprove anything I ever said!

The gejohnston method, volume 2: make a bunch of false statements, and then insist the burden is me to prove you wrong.

Kleck got his job by getting the NRA to bribe the board of directors at FSU. Prove me wrong!

Being gejohnston is fun!

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Response to DanTex (Reply #42)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 12:50 PM

43. in other words

You gave up pretending to be a mathematician, self defense expert, shrink, and now you are down to falsely accusing me of making shit up. Cool. Just like McClatchey is a gun blog, and CBS is Fox. Of course you can't find any evidence of my making shit up.

I'll have to give playing DanTex a try.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #43)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 12:54 PM

44. Got any evidence? Can you prove me wrong?

Nope. You can't back you're claims with evidence because they're not true!

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Response to DanTex (Reply #44)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 01:01 PM

45. we have provided evidence

so have I. That is a false statement.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #45)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 01:02 PM

46. You have not provided evidence. That is a false statement!

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Response to DanTex (Reply #46)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 01:07 PM

47. you have been hanging around

a couple of the oneliners too much. Might check out some help.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #47)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 01:09 PM

48. Change of subject = no evidence = you've been making things up!

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Response to DanTex (Reply #48)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 01:13 PM

49. change of subject

I provided evidence you didn't like or challenge=I made things up.
faux intellectualism at its most absurd.

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Response to iverglas (Reply #33)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 12:07 PM

39. Studies show that firearms are the most effective form of defense against verbal abuse!

Over 5.7 million people each year protect their feelings from verbal assaults using a firearm. And 2.2M of those verbal assaults included profanity! Another 1.8M people defended themselves from dirty looks or obscene gestures.

That's why the American Psychiatric Association recommends that all people with frail egos carry around a pistol. Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words will never hurt me thanks to my trusty S&W!

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Response to DanTex (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 02:17 PM

50. It would be more accurate to say "Typical Little League parent going off the deep end"

 

But because the incident is typical of either people who use guns defensively or of Little League parents, either statement would be hyperbolic at best.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:09 PM

13. The problem isn't so much the guns. It's the.....

morons that have access to them.
Maybe if they agree to a psychological evaluation every two years they can be issued a permit.

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Response to Bonhomme Richard (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:19 PM

15. Automobiles are used to kill more people than firearms.

Perhaps vehicle owners/operators should have a psychological evaluation every two years before they can be issued a permit.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

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Response to oneshooter (Reply #15)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 10:15 PM

30. What? Are you saying cars are used for murder/assault more than guns?

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Response to Logical (Reply #30)

Tue May 1, 2012, 01:18 PM

56. where did he say that?

 

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Response to rl6214 (Reply #56)

Tue May 1, 2012, 06:04 PM

62. Here we go again......

He said "Automobiles are used to kill more people than firearms."

"Used" sounds like you used it to kill someone.

He did not say. "Automobiles kill more people than firearms".

He said "used"

Sounds intentional.

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Response to Logical (Reply #62)

Tue May 1, 2012, 11:01 PM

63. Don't get your panties all in a bunch

 

He said "Automobiles are used to kill more people than firearms."


He didn't say anything about "murder/assault", you did.

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Response to Bonhomme Richard (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 02:57 PM

22. How many psychologists would be required to administer such a test ...

and how many people who have real problems would not be able to get treatment because of the requirement for such testing?

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Response to Bonhomme Richard (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 04:27 PM

23. Can I see your psych eval that says you're O.K. to let vote?

 

Seriously, we don't need crazy people voting on little things like the leader of the free world, or local D.A., amIrite?

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Response to Bonhomme Richard (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 09:52 PM

29. Who

 

Is going to issue test and who decides who is "stable" and who isn't. This psych test idea has been argued time and time again, it won't work.

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Response to Meiko (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 07:55 AM

34. that's why the answer is so simple

 

There is simply no remotely reliable way to tell which person wandering around in public with a firearm is going to behave like this one, or in a myriad other antisocial/dangerous ways, so you don't let people wander around in public with firearms. How easy is that?

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Response to iverglas (Reply #34)

Tue May 1, 2012, 01:28 PM

58. Nope

 

That isn't going to work. You punish everyone for the actions of a few, besides there is that pesky 2nd Amendment we have to deal with.

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Response to Meiko (Reply #58)

Tue May 1, 2012, 05:02 PM

59. "Punish"?

 

My goodness, I had no idea that someone not allowed to wander around in public with guns also had to be fined, or is it imprisoned, or maybe just put on probation? Does being prohibited from wandering around in public with guns count as a first offence for one of those three-strikes laws? Does it mean you couldn't vote either?

I'm not allowed to drive the wrong way on a one-way street, or to drive over 50 km/h in the city. What am I being punished for???

"Punished". Such a lot of punishments as we who live in society have heaped on our heads.

Yes, that pesky 2nd amendment. The one that says everybody must be allowed to wander around in public with guns ...

Where do I find that one?

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Response to iverglas (Reply #59)

Tue May 1, 2012, 05:18 PM

61. I think "torture" is more accurate than "punish".

Not being allowed to walk around with a loaded gun is "torture".

You knoe, they waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed 183 times, but it wasn't until they forced him to walk down the street without a loaded gun that he cracked and started giving up intel!

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Response to Meiko (Reply #29)

Tue May 1, 2012, 11:12 PM

64. anyone with a gun is mental.....remember

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:48 PM

16. We lost our first LL game yesterday, and I didn't point my firearm at anyone.

We were also well on the way to losing our first Softball game before it was rained out in the 3ed.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 09:21 PM

25. It was stand your ground

or at least that is the way Dixon saw it.

"Dixon did not fire the weapon, Stamper said, and told deputies after he was arrested “that he had felt threatened by the Quilcene man” who asked him to watch his mouth."

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Response to KT2000 (Reply #25)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 09:30 PM

26. Except that

he had to leave to get his gun then come back-- no SYG

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #26)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 02:14 AM

31. Yeah - but

I bet he felt threatened all the way home and back. It is really scary when someone tells a person to quit swearing around the kids.

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Response to KT2000 (Reply #25)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 09:30 PM

27. You forgot the sarcasm tag.

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Response to KT2000 (Reply #25)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 11:06 AM

36. he retreated!

 

No honour at all, that fellow.

Obviously he saw the shameful nature of his actions and thought better of them, and returned to stand his ground properly.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 08:29 PM

51. I had to resist the urge to point my gun at a woman that cursed at our

softball game this evening...


No wait...I was wrong. I didn't even carry my safety device with me this evening. However.com there was an asshat parent that cursed way too much there.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue May 1, 2012, 05:09 PM

60. Obviously, we need to ban little league.

It clearly causes people to become unstable.



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