Sun Apr 22, 2012, 01:09 PM

DanTex (3,780 posts)

Didn't Trayvon Martin deserve a fair trial too?

Question for the Zimmerman apologists.

Yes, we get it, Z deserves a fair trial. Obviously. I think he racially profiled and then killed an unarmed teenager for no good reason. I don't know whether Trayvon attacked him or not, but if Z wasn't going around looking for bad guys to vigilanticize, if he had just called the police and left T alone, then T would still be alive.

But I don't think Z should be imprisoned based on my opinion. He deserves his day in court.

The problem with the vigilanteism that Florida's SYG law (along with the conceal-carry gun culture) encourages is that Trayvon didn't get a fair trial. He was killed on the spot, based on the split-second judgement of a self-appointed gun hero.

Isn't that a thousand times more troubling than the fact that Zimmerman has been "tried and convicted in the media"?

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134 replies	Author	Time	Post
Didn't Trayvon Martin deserve a fair trial too? (Original post)	DanTex	Apr 2012	OP
First things first, who here is an apologist for G. Zimmerman?	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#1
LOL! The Gungeon Memory Hole strikes again	jpak	Apr 2012	#38
What the are you on about now?	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#41
Pssssst. He's gotta run to a dictionary to find out what wisdom means, based on his posts	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#43
That some funny shit there.	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#46
Yes that was truly hilarious! What piercing humor!	DanTex	Apr 2012	#49
You obviously have no fucking clue do you?	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#55
No clue about what?	DanTex	Apr 2012	#76
And Jpak launches utterly unfunny attacks on pro-gun people all the time.	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#78
I'm not mad. I was just having a laugh.	DanTex	Apr 2012	#83
Your right and I apologize	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#80
"I haven't seen anyone making excuses for Zimmerman"	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#112
Trayvon also had the right to defend himself...thus the supposed injuries to Z.	Frustratedlady	Apr 2012	#2
this is not an example of vigilaneism	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#3
Of course it's vigilanteism.	DanTex	Apr 2012	#8
Wrong, but thanks for playing	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#13
Did you read your own definition?	DanTex	Apr 2012	#18
Dang, your copy button didn't get the entire thing there Dan	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#22
Do you not understand what the word "as" means?	DanTex	Apr 2012	#23
I won't argue what the meaning of "as" is. Won't do it	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#27
OK, I'll explain.	DanTex	Apr 2012	#28
Yawn - For the third time, what crime was Zimmerman avenging?	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#31
Really, shadowrider? You really don't get it?	DanTex	Apr 2012	#35
I look at the definition as a whole. You want to split hairs on what individual words mean	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#40
No he doesn't	Phlem	Apr 2012	#45
You know about the mentality?	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#48
oooh good one!	Phlem	Apr 2012	#54
you know why your getting these insane arguments?	Phlem	Apr 2012	#50
Oh look everyone	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#63
Pretty crazy, huh?	DanTex	Apr 2012	#66
you said it I didn't chief.	Phlem	Apr 2012	#70
Did you not listen to his 911 call?	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#113
What burglary was Zimmerman avenging?	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#116
He was avenging the prior break-ins.	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#121
This message was hidden by jury decision.	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#124
By the way, you need to call the prosecution with your thoughtful insight	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#125
Sooo.....	AzWorker	Apr 2012	#77
You might like the word, but he is not a vigilante	WinniSkipper	Apr 2012	#93
You guys need to quit reading word for word for word while pointing your finger.	Hoyt	Apr 2012	#95
no,	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#98
Funny.	Clames	Apr 2012	#99
911 operators are not police	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#14
Small point of correction	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#17
Don't forget the NBPP and their $10k reward for Zimmerman dead or alive.	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#9
Decried by Martin's family, the BPP, Sharpton and others. But you didn't mention that.	freshwest	Apr 2012	#12
Wrong, but thanks for playing	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#15
Did I mention Lee and Barr? Yes, they're assholes for taking advantages. And I could refer to you to	freshwest	Apr 2012	#67
Hysteria?	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#71
I know all of that and decried their recklessness on threads at the time. So?	freshwest	Apr 2012	#75
"so why identify with him? "	sylvi	Apr 2012	#105
Well said	AzWorker	Apr 2012	#107
Right, NBPP are a bunch of vigilantes.	DanTex	Apr 2012	#25
You know what is hilarious about all this...	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#114
Regardles how massive of a joke they are, they have $10k REAL dollars for	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#117
Has anyone seen the money?	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#120
C'mon man. If someone THINKS the money is there, and they see Zimmerman	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#122
This message was self-deleted by its author	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#123
Does the fact the 6 members of the so-called New Panthers made a stupid statement change the fact	Hoyt	Apr 2012	#96
It is not stupid if	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#97
Nobody is going to take them up on it. And they wouldn't pay anyway because you can't find the 6	Hoyt	Apr 2012	#100
since I don't carry, I won't be reaching for much.	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#101
Yeah, kinda like you guys were calling for ted nugget to be arrested by the SS.	rl6214	Apr 2012	#126
I suspect he messed his pants meeting with them without a gun or bow.	Hoyt	Apr 2012	#129
English translation please	rl6214	Apr 2012	#130
Like Zimmerman and many other toters, he's a coward without a gun.	Hoyt	Apr 2012	#131
"Typing on phone with auto-speller sucks also."	rl6214	Apr 2012	#134
Shot in self defense?	Phlem	Apr 2012	#39
number of guns doesn't matter	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#44
Sure I have.	Phlem	Apr 2012	#47
He was never told not to follow Martin.	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#51
if it wasn't a case of trial by media then	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#53
Really?	Clames	Apr 2012	#79
and the rest	Phlem	Apr 2012	#85
PS.	Phlem	Apr 2012	#86
So what?	Clames	Apr 2012	#89
your working on Zimmerman level.	Phlem	Apr 2012	#106
You should focus on being an adult...	Clames	Apr 2012	#109
"It takes an adult to responsible with a gun"	rl6214	Apr 2012	#127
I don't think anyone is making that argument.	Clames	Apr 2012	#4
I have read the statutes.	DanTex	Apr 2012	#6
Obviously you haven't...	Clames	Apr 2012	#11
Actually I have. Have you?	DanTex	Apr 2012	#16
I have.	Clames	Apr 2012	#24
Zimmerman was a "law abiding" CCer. A "sheepdog".	DanTex	Apr 2012	#33
So to you...	Clames	Apr 2012	#81
So you think Trayvon "had it coming", huh? Wow!	DanTex	Apr 2012	#87
Nope.	Clames	Apr 2012	#91
Who is this "Hoyt" you refer to?	TheCowsCameHome	Apr 2012	#36
I've seen my name thrown out there too on a thread in which I'm not participating	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#42
Dunno.	TheCowsCameHome	Apr 2012	#102
Well go look in other threads...	Clames	Apr 2012	#69
You may have read the statutes ...	spin	Apr 2012	#82
"gun hero mentality"	rl6214	Apr 2012	#128
What is the insistence on the part	sylvi	Apr 2012	#5
Martin was murdered.	krispos42	Apr 2012	#7
Exactly.	Union Scribe	Apr 2012	#104
Some don't believe they'd ever be in Martin's shoes, and are pushing away that terror.	freshwest	Apr 2012	#10
I've decided. I've decided you're full of it	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#26
Wow, your name is Dan Tex. I didn't know he had a twin.	freshwest	Apr 2012	#56
What utter bullshit	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#34
Getting a bit riled up about my explaination to Dan Tex, huh? If it doesn't apply to you, forget it.	freshwest	Apr 2012	#61
Nope not riled up	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#65
Your hyperbole over one post shows you to be riled up.	freshwest	Apr 2012	#72
Correct	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#74
This case certainly has a polarizing effect.	lacrew	Apr 2012	#19
This stopped being about Martin long ago	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#30
Several hot topics	lacrew	Apr 2012	#52
Put on your flame suit.	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#57
The timeline you mention is KEY...	AzWorker	Apr 2012	#84
See the timeline here	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#88
Apparently Zimmerman appointed himself judge, jury and executioner.	TheCowsCameHome	Apr 2012	#20
Martin didn't do anything. He didn't deserve a stop, arrest, trial, OR murder.	saras	Apr 2012	#20
I'm with you on this	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#29
And what crimes was he convicted of that would require he "deserve" to be in jail?	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#32
Manslaughter at the least nt.	eilen	Apr 2012	#60
I'm confused	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#64
I think I misunderstood your question. nt.	eilen	Apr 2012	#68
He wasn't convicted. His daddy got him off. And you know this already.	saras	Apr 2012	#111
Not sure if serious	pneutin	Apr 2012	#115
What I know is, he wasn't convicted of anything	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#118
Unfortunately, we will never hear Trayvon's side.	eilen	Apr 2012	#58
The gun was confiscated. nt	rrneck	Apr 2012	#62
This just shows how people who have decided the case have no clue what's going on	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#73
Isn't it amazing?	sylvi	Apr 2012	#92
Who needs to sit on a jury? They make up their minds, facts be damned. Now execute.	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#94
yup	jpak	Apr 2012	#59
At issue to my mind	rrneck	Apr 2012	#37
You spoke my thought	sarisataka	Apr 2012	#103
I'm thinking...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Apr 2012	#90
Sure, but....	AzWorker	Apr 2012	#108
The question is this.	jeepnstein	Apr 2012	#110
How do you know all of this?	TPaine7	Apr 2012	#132
Police reports, 911 tapes, Martin's GF's statement about the call.	jeepnstein	Apr 2012	#133
The problem with giving assailants a fair judge/jury/trial... their victim might be dead by then.	OneTenthofOnePercent	Apr 2012	#119

Response to DanTex (Original post)

Sun Apr 22, 2012, 01:14 PM

AH1Apache (502 posts)

1. First things first, who here is an apologist for G. Zimmerman?

Last edited Sun Apr 22, 2012, 01:16 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

As far as Trayvon deserving a fair trial, yes, if he had been arrested for a crime, but he was committing no crime when he was walking back to his house, so, no, he doesn't deserve a fair trial because he didn't do anything wrong at that point in time.

I got called a "racist vigilante apologist" yesterday by jpak for defending Zimmerman's right to a fair trial, do you agree with that statement?

Didn't Trayvon Martin deserve a fair trial too?

1. First things first, who here is an apologist for G. Zimmerman?

38. LOL! The Gungeon Memory Hole strikes again

41. What the are you on about now?

43. Pssssst. He's gotta run to a dictionary to find out what wisdom means, based on his posts

46. That some funny shit there.

49. Yes that was truly hilarious! What piercing humor!

55. You obviously have no fucking clue do you?

76. No clue about what?

78. And Jpak launches utterly unfunny attacks on pro-gun people all the time.

83. I'm not mad. I was just having a laugh.

80. Your right and I apologize

112. "I haven't seen anyone making excuses for Zimmerman"

2. Trayvon also had the right to defend himself...thus the supposed injuries to Z.

3. this is not an example of vigilaneism

8. Of course it's vigilanteism.

13. Wrong, but thanks for playing

18. Did you read your own definition?

22. Dang, your copy button didn't get the entire thing there Dan

23. Do you not understand what the word "as" means?

27. I won't argue what the meaning of "as" is. Won't do it

28. OK, I'll explain.

31. *Yawn* - For the third time, what crime was Zimmerman avenging?

35. Really, shadowrider? You really don't get it?

40. I look at the definition as a whole. You want to split hairs on what individual words mean

45. No he doesn't

48. You know about the mentality?

54. oooh good one!

50. you know why your getting these insane arguments?

63. Oh look everyone

66. Pretty crazy, huh?

70. you said it I didn't chief.

113. Did you not listen to his 911 call?

116. What burglary was Zimmerman avenging?

121. He was avenging the prior break-ins.

125. By the way, you need to call the prosecution with your thoughtful insight

77. Sooo.....

93. You might like the word, but he is not a vigilante

95. You guys need to quit reading word for word for word while pointing your finger.

98. no,

99. Funny.

14. 911 operators are not police

17. Small point of correction

9. Don't forget the NBPP and their $10k reward for Zimmerman dead or alive.

12. Decried by Martin's family, the BPP, Sharpton and others. But you didn't mention that.

15. Wrong, but thanks for playing

67. Did I mention Lee and Barr? Yes, they're assholes for taking advantages. And I could refer to you to

71. Hysteria?

75. I know all of that and decried their recklessness on threads at the time. So?

105. "so why identify with him? "

107. Well said

25. Right, NBPP are a bunch of vigilantes.

114. You know what is hilarious about all this...

117. Regardles how massive of a joke they are, they have $10k REAL dollars for

120. Has anyone seen the money?

122. C'mon man. If someone THINKS the money is there, and they see Zimmerman

96. Does the fact the 6 members of the so-called New Panthers made a stupid statement change the fact

97. It is not stupid if

100. Nobody is going to take them up on it. And they wouldn't pay anyway because you can't find the 6

101. since I don't carry, I won't be reaching for much.

126. Yeah, kinda like you guys were calling for ted nugget to be arrested by the SS.

129. I suspect he messed his pants meeting with them without a gun or bow.

130. English translation please

131. Like Zimmerman and many other toters, he's a coward without a gun.

134. "Typing on phone with auto-speller sucks also."

39. Shot in self defense?

44. number of guns doesn't matter

47. Sure I have.

51. He was never told not to follow Martin.

53. if it wasn't a case of trial by media then

79. Really?

85. and the rest

86. PS.

89. So what?

106. your working on Zimmerman level.

109. You should focus on being an adult...

127. "It takes an adult to responsible with a gun"

4. I don't think anyone is making that argument.

6. I have read the statutes.

11. Obviously you haven't...

31. Yawn - For the third time, what crime was Zimmerman avenging?