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Fri Apr 20, 2012, 05:00 AM

2 young children shot with rifle, 1 girl dead, 3 y/o boy life flighted - brother taken into custody

Last edited Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:20 PM - Edit history (1)

Details are sketchy because police are withholding information but it looks like a boy, maybe slightly older, shot his younger brother and sister with a rifle in his back yard.


"FAIRHOPE, Alabama --
Fairhope police are investigating a deadly shooting involving two young children.

Sgt. Craig Sawyer says an officer was in the area of Hwy. 181 and Mosley Road around 6:15 p.m. when he heard a gunshot. The officer investigated and found two kids lying in a backyard, behind a mobile home, suffering from gunshot wounds. The officer called for back up and then tried to revive the kids.

Sawyer, Chief Bill Press and another officer arrived minutes later.

A girl was pronounced dead at the scene. A 3-year-old boy was taken by life flight to USA Medical Center. His condition is unknown.

Sawyer says the children were shot with a rifle. The suspected shooter was still on scene and was taken into custody."
http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/apr/19/two-kids-shot-fairhope-one-dead-one-critical-condi-ar-3640814/

Here's another report

"FAIRHOPE, Alabama -- One child is dead and another seriously wounded after they were shot near Highway 181 and Mosely Road in Fairhope.

Officers say a brother accidentally shot two of his siblings, killing one and seriously injuring the other.

The identity of the victim has not been released.

Police say there is one suspect in custody, the report says. The cause of the incident is still under investigation."
http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_21913.shtml

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Reply 2 young children shot with rifle, 1 girl dead, 3 y/o boy life flighted - brother taken into custody (Original post)
moobu2 Apr 2012 OP
hlthe2b Apr 2012 #1
GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #2
safeinOhio Apr 2012 #3
GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #22
hlthe2b Apr 2012 #4
hack89 Apr 2012 #7
hlthe2b Apr 2012 #11
hack89 Apr 2012 #14
GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #27
gejohnston Apr 2012 #31
safeinOhio Apr 2012 #12
hlthe2b Apr 2012 #13
hack89 Apr 2012 #17
hlthe2b Apr 2012 #23
hack89 Apr 2012 #26
safeinOhio Apr 2012 #40
gejohnston Apr 2012 #41
hack89 Apr 2012 #42
hack89 Apr 2012 #15
hack89 Apr 2012 #21
WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #32
Hoyt Apr 2012 #5
rl6214 Apr 2012 #36
TheCowsCameHome Apr 2012 #6
hack89 Apr 2012 #9
hlthe2b Apr 2012 #10
hack89 Apr 2012 #16
hlthe2b Apr 2012 #19
hack89 Apr 2012 #24
ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #18
hlthe2b Apr 2012 #20
hack89 Apr 2012 #28
GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #29
PavePusher Apr 2012 #33
rl6214 Apr 2012 #37
moobu2 Apr 2012 #8
sarisataka Apr 2012 #25
Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #30
moobu2 Apr 2012 #34
Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #35
moobu2 Apr 2012 #38
ileus Apr 2012 #39
moobu2 Apr 2012 #43
gejohnston Apr 2012 #44
moobu2 Apr 2012 #45

Response to moobu2 (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 07:04 AM

1. Why do we need less guns?

Because there is NO SHORTAGE of irresponsible, stupid, negligent, arrogant, clueless people who can not own and handle one responsibly.

Sigh... Poor children.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 07:51 AM

2. I will not allow you to take my guns away from me.

You seem to be trying to use a tragic event to take guns away from responsible people.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 08:10 AM

3. It is the irresponsible gun owners

that will end up taking away your gun rights. Not the anti-gun zealots. Until responsible gun owners come up with a way to curb these kind of stories and handgun crime, they face restrictions.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:54 AM

22. Have you noticed the trend in laws?

Every time a state loosens its gun laws I post a thread about it. So far this year over 20 laws backed by the NRA have been signed in various states.

Further, gun accidents and gun violence have been decreasing.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 08:22 AM

4. So then you are self-identifying as an irresponsible gun owner?

Since those are who clearly from this and countless incidents those who should not have guns.

Then if that is the case, I'd have to agree with you that you should not have a gun.

I have not stated a desire to take them from law-abiding responsible owners, but to have LESS access to the countless, clueless, arrogant, belligerant, irresponsible and potentially mentally unstable.

And, safeinOhio is correct, it is the irresponsible gun owners who pose a threat to unlimited, nearly unregulated gun industry. It is there that you and NRA and all the others should be focusing your ire and your efforts. NOT trying to increase access to these cretins.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 08:49 AM

7. Yet no one has any idea how to identify an "irresponsible gun owner"

prior to something bad happening. What are you suggesting? A minimum income or education requirement? An IQ test? Subjective judgement by some appointed "authority"?

Since we really can't identify in advance those "clueless, arrogant, belligerant (sic), irresponsible and potentially mentally unstable" gun owners that means any method to restrict access guns to them must apply to everyone - including the responsible gun owners.

Tell me how we identify and brand those irresponsible gun owners.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:14 AM

11. Pushing more and more gun sales, pushing the paranoia, pushing to remove any barriers to killing

those are hardly ways to diminish access to those who should not have them and USE by those who should not have them.

NRA used to be a responsible group that took gun safety seriously, gun manufacturing seriously, and worked with others to promote responsible ownership... And responsible gun owners worked to ensure NRA continued that as their primary mission. That is largely no longer the case. So, blame yourselves. I'm not going to take your gun. But the sheer increase in irresponsible gun owners and "shoot first, think later" murders masked as "self defense" will ensure more restrictions eventually happen. There is a critical threshold of carnage beyond which there is no return.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:22 AM

14. Gun deaths and violence are at historic lows and steadily declining

so your first problem is that increased access to guns does not appear to present a public safety issue. If more guns led to more deaths you would have a point - but they don't.

Every year we move further away from that "critical threshold of carnage" - that should make you happy. Why doesn't it?

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 10:03 AM

27. It is the gun-grabbers who created the modern NRA.

As your side pushed for ever greater restrictions on guns it caused a backlash from gun owners. That backlash took the form of the modern NRA.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 10:36 AM

31. in order to do that

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NRA used to be a responsible group that took gun safety seriously, gun manufacturing seriously, and worked with others to promote responsible ownership... And responsible gun owners worked to ensure NRA continued that as their primary mission. That is largely no longer the case. So, blame yourselves. I'm not going to take your gun. But the sheer increase in irresponsible gun owners and "shoot first, think later" murders masked as "self defense" will ensure more restrictions eventually happen. There is a critical threshold of carnage beyond which there is no return.

The problem is we, as in gun owners regardless of party or partisan views, would have to become voting members and stage a counter coupe to reinstall the "hunter/environmentalist" faction. That would be a good thing in many ways. It would be better for the 2A movement in the long term. Their fear mongering can turn off the grassroots at some point, like the villagers in "boy who cried wolf". As much as the NRA gets credit for advances, how much are they actually doing? They took credit for Heller, but from what I read, tried to undermine SAF.

On a related subject, at what point will the US accept carnage, pollution, and ugly assed parking lots cars create and bring us more mass transit.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:15 AM

12. I'd suggest adopting laws like

they have in Switzerland. I think those kind of laws would even pass our own 2nd Amendment. Lots of guns, even full autos, strict registration and laws on storing and transporting firearms. Mandatory, ongoing training and limitations on conceal carry. All this equals lower gun crime and accidental shootings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:18 AM

13. Yup... +1

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:50 AM

17. So you support anyone over 18 being able to buy an "assault weapon" without a permit?

I am surprised - that is very progressive of you.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #17)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:55 AM

23. Hardly.. I said we shoulld LOOK at Swiss laws to consider what should be done here. Period

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #23)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 10:02 AM

26. Yet aren't we looking at Swiss law because of their low levels of gun violence?

doesn't the Swiss experience tell us that wide spread ownership of semi-automatic weapons does not pose a threat to society?

You are not just looking at what is restricted while ignoring what is permitted are you?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #26)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 07:49 PM

40. You are right about the Swiz, now look at the regulations on

ownership, storage and who is allowed to carry. ALL handguns are registered to the owner.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #40)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 08:36 PM

41. Which matters because?

If the cantons want to spend the money on theater, great. It has nothing to do with their low murder rate. But then, Protell does not have to work as hard to deal with their version of VPC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_referendum,_February_2011

My point is, even if we make the NRA more moderate, and make concessions, the other side will not. That is what made the NRA as radical as it is, they decided to fight extremism with extremism. That difference is the NRA is more honest about theirs.

When your violent crime rate is as low as if not lower than Japan's, what would be the point of carrying CCW?

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #40)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 10:02 PM

42. Yes - which is a non-starter in America

there is no reason for the government to know such personal information.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:33 AM

15. The carry permit requirement would not pass 2A muster

it is not the government's place to determine whether I have a valid need to carry or not.

I do like their training requirements - I think the government should subsidize training and promote firearm events for young people. I also like the idea of getting ammo from the government at cost.

I particularly like the idea of classifying "assault weapons" as "free arms" that require no permit to purchase.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:54 AM

21. The establishment of permanent government databases

recording gun ownership would also have a hard time passing Constitutional muster.

It is not the government's business to know what guns I own.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 11:12 AM

32. And while you are at it...

 

...could you ask her for a list of drivers who are going to get drunk and kill someone? That's the list I would really like to have

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 08:31 AM

5. The gun culture's love of guns and willingness to support groups like the NRA who push

more and more guns are responsible too. Your efforts over the next decade will put 100 million more guns in circulation, ensuring more of this 100 years down the road. At some point, we'll have to do something about it.

"Ohio" is exactly right.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:55 PM

36. At some point, we'll have to do something about it.

 

Exactly what are YOU doing about it other than whining about it on the internet?

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 08:32 AM

6. P-A-R-A-N-O-I-A

is alive and well.

SafeInOhio nailed it.

(but if it happens, it's won't be because of "anti's")

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:02 AM

9. Do you think the same about car ownership?

considering auto accidents are the leading cause of accidental death for children? Why should access to guns be the only thing we restrict if our goal is to reduce the harm caused by "irresponsible, stupid, negligent, arrogant, clueless people"?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:06 AM

10. We already do....(restrict car access away from the irresponsible, mentally incapacited and others)

Or do you drive without a driver's license? Know no one who has lost said license because of irresponsibility, DUI, vehicular manslaughter, failure to maintain insurance, reckless driving and the like. Know no drivers who have lost their license because of loss of sight, mental incapacity, age?

Big fail in your logic, my friend.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:37 AM

16. But we don't restrict their driving privileges until after they prove they are irresponsible.

you want to restrict their right to own a gun prior to them doing anything irresponsible. The bar to get your initial drivers license is ridiculously low.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #16)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:52 AM

19. We certainly do. Driver's must pass a written/drivingtest, must show proof of insurance, must pass

a review of outstanding driving related tickets in most states, must be of legal age, must pass an eye exam and can be denied for any number of reasons--including a doctor or family member's notification of DMV that there is an incapacitating concern.

Nearly all of these are PRIOR, but we have ongoing regulation to monitor as well. Again, sorry, this is a big fail in terms of an analogy you think proves any point.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #19)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:59 AM

24. Do you think guns should be regulated like cars? nt

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:52 AM

18. Your logic is the one failing

We do not block ownership nor use on private land, just use on public roads.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #18)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:53 AM

20. Absolutely irrelevant

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #20)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 10:05 AM

28. I don't need a license to buy and own a car and keep it on private property.

I don't need a license to buy and own a gun and keep it on private property.

I do need a license to drive a car on public streets.
I do need a license to carry a gun in public.


Get it now?

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #20)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 10:09 AM

29. Completely relevant.

To take a gun out in public, in most states requires a license - a CCW. To keep one at home on private property requires no license, except for some states that require one.

To drive a car in public requires a license. To keep one on private property requires no license or registration. Here in Texas many older pick-ups are kept on farms and ranches as work trucks and never taken on public roads.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:03 PM

33. Like hell we do.

 

Or have you just not watched other peoples' driving lately?

"Big fail in your logic, my friend." Indeed... Sheesh.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:58 PM

37. I know a number of people that drive without a license,

 

whether they are too young, had the license revoked or just never bothered to get one so your arguement is a big

FAIL

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Response to moobu2 (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 08:59 AM

8. The dead girl was 10 years old. nt

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Response to moobu2 (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 10:01 AM

25. Perhaps we should face a reality

That neither side likes, our children will encounter guns. There is no getting around this fact. Even a complete reversal of the 2A would not remove guns from our society for a very long time.

So what can we do?

We accept that at some point our children wil encounter sex so we educate them to prepare them for when the day comes.
Why not do the same with guns. Add safe gun handling courses to schools. I am not talking a Jr. Rambo class, just the most basic gun safety.

I think we would all even agree on pushing abstinence only.

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Response to moobu2 (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 10:27 AM

30. A suggestion: Please don't use tinyurl.

 

Please do not use tinyurl. It obfuscates the links so you can't tell what you are clicking on and what site you will be taken to.

DU automatically truncates long links.

Thanks.

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Response to Atypical Liberal (Reply #30)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:21 PM

34. There you go.

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Response to moobu2 (Reply #34)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:25 PM

35. Thanks!

 

I'm always leery of clicking on blind links.

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Response to moobu2 (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 03:30 PM

38. UPDATE: A 17-year-old boy will be charged as an adult, with manslaughter, in the shooting death

FAIRHOPE, Alabama --
A 17-year-old boy will be charged as an adult, with manslaughter, in the shooting death of a 6 year old girl.

Fairhope police say Christopher Tyler Smith fired one shot from a high powered rifle Thursday night. The bullet hit two children.

The kids were playing behind their mobile home on Hwy 181 and Mosley Road around 6:15 when they were shot. Smith lives in another trailer about 100 yards away.

http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/apr/20/6-year-old-girl-killed-3-year-old-boy-critical-con-ar-3642783/

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Response to moobu2 (Reply #38)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 04:18 PM

39. So this may have been a GD accidental shooting?

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Response to moobu2 (Original post)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 05:53 AM

43. Update: The girl was 5 y/o not 10 and

the family needs help with funeral expenses. The little boy is still in critical condition as far as I know.

Donations are being accepted for Teela Murphy's family.
The family of a Fairhope Kindergartener will need help with funeral and hospital expenses. 5 year old Teela Murphy was shot to death last night. Teela's baby brother, 3 year old Jayden is critically injured. An account has been set up in Teela Murphy's name. Donations are being accepted at any BBVA Compass Bank in Mobile and Baldwin Counties.


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Response to moobu2 (Reply #43)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 10:59 AM

44. have a mailing address

or way to give by plastic? Don't live in the area, and I don't think I have a Compass bank near me.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #44)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 04:14 PM

45. Here's a link to a page with several branches in that area with phone #'s and addresses

Click on the link and type in Fairhope Alabama in the space and it will show you BBVA Compass Bank branches in Baldwin County, the area where the shooting occurred. The article said you could donate to any of those branches. Might have to wait until Monday though. I would call the Fairhope branch, because it's nearest the location where it happened, and explain what you want to do and they'l help. It's the best I could do.

http://www.bbvacompass.com/locations/

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