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shadowrider

(4,941 posts)
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 06:15 AM Apr 2012

Update: 4 charged in El Chico murder (Victim cooperated, did not struggle, shot anyway)

LITTLE ROCK, AR - Monday night, Little Rock police arrested two brothers and charged them with murdering a west Little Rock restaurant employee.

The brothers, along with two other people, now all face murder charges in a suspected plot to rob the restaurant where they all worked.

Brothers Kiywuan Perry, 23, and Zeckeya Perry, 19, along with Quantez Dobbins, 19, and Kenya Smith, 19, sit in the Pulaski County jail with no bond. They are charged with murdering Jesus Herrera late Sunday night at El Chico restaurant where all five worked.

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The younger brother told reporters Monday night that he did not know why he was going to jail. Police tell FOX16 that four suspects went into El Chico Sunday around 9:00 p.m. and ordered employees to the back. That's when police say witnesses heard five gunshots. When police got there, they found Herrera shot and killed.

Police say the masked suspects also got away with cash from El Chico.

"I've been told, and what we've gathered from the witnesses, no one tried to intervene or struggle with the robbers," says Little Rock Police Sgt. Cassandra Davis.

http://www.cwarkansas.com/mostpopular/story/Update-4-charged-in-El-Chico-murder/kEz-8aaT9UKc4IdypHGZdA.cspx

"Just give them what they want, they'll leave you alone"

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Update: 4 charged in El Chico murder (Victim cooperated, did not struggle, shot anyway) (Original Post) shadowrider Apr 2012 OP
but but but... MrDiaz Apr 2012 #1
At least he wasn't polluting society with a death spewer. ileus Apr 2012 #2
I'm surprised there are no comments congratulating shadowrider Apr 2012 #4
"My property is not worth someoene's life" mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #3
Just like Brown's Chicken and Lane Bryant DonP Apr 2012 #5
Yea. Had they defended themselves shadowrider Apr 2012 #6
They're all busy making excuses for those armed "teen" burglars in Alabama ... DonP Apr 2012 #7
Yea, I've been watching that thread shadowrider Apr 2012 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author ileus Apr 2012 #9
A fellow manager I worked with was killed by a bus boy after hours. era veteran Apr 2012 #10
I don't blame you shadowrider Apr 2012 #11
I would only shoot as a last resort. era veteran Apr 2012 #12
Dang shadowrider Apr 2012 #13
I keep asking if WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #14
What "brethren across the aisle" are you referring to? pipoman Apr 2012 #15
Specifically those Democrats on the board who are pro gun control WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #16
 

MrDiaz

(731 posts)
1. but but but...
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 06:35 AM
Apr 2012

If you give them what they want, they won't harm you right? Yea Right. THAT is the reason I stay armed... most of the time.

shadowrider

(4,941 posts)
4. I'm surprised there are no comments congratulating
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 06:02 PM
Apr 2012

the deceased on his decision to not carry a death spewer and go meekly to his death.

mvccd1000

(1,534 posts)
3. "My property is not worth someoene's life"
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 07:39 AM
Apr 2012

Certainly you're not suggesting that she possibly could have used a firearm to defend mere PROPERTY, are you? After, all, we all know that criminals won't hurt you if you give them what they want. She should have called the police or just beat them up. Or maybe she resisted. No way to know, but surely none of the blame lies with the criminal.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
5. Just like Brown's Chicken and Lane Bryant
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 06:09 PM
Apr 2012

In both cases near Chicago they gave the criminals what they wanted, laid down in the back of the store to be tied up and were shot in the head one by one, execution style so there were no witnesses.

Thank heavens that none of them were allowed to carry a firearm. Think of how much worse it could have been. Oh, wait - never mind.

shadowrider

(4,941 posts)
6. Yea. Had they defended themselves
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 06:15 PM
Apr 2012

some of the bad guys might have gotten hurt. THEN this would be a spirited conversation.

I'm also not surprised that those who preach "give them what they want they'll leave you alone" aren't here to admit they were wrong.

You don't think they'd be purposely avoiding this, do you?

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
7. They're all busy making excuses for those armed "teen" burglars in Alabama ...
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 07:04 PM
Apr 2012

... in another thread.

But they do tend to ignore posts that don't agree with their odd philosophy that somehow, not resisting an armed criminal and disarming all the law abiding will magically reduce crime, cats will lie down with dogs, unicorns will roam our public parks and the Cubs will finally win a world series.

They also seem to believe that if you have your own gun and resist there will be a bloodbath and the police will always shoot you and several innocents, since they can't tell the bad guy from the CCW permit holder. Hasn't ever happened anywhere, but they sure seem sure of it, don't they?

shadowrider

(4,941 posts)
8. Yea, I've been watching that thread
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 05:29 AM
Apr 2012

It's kinda fun watching the anti's twisting themselves into a pretzel defending those innocent children (Who were on their way to church to sing with the choir and got in the way of bloodthirsty out of control gunners, I guess).

Here's my theory. Don't do what you ain't supposed to be doing and your chances of gettin shot go way down.

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era veteran

(4,069 posts)
10. A fellow manager I worked with was killed by a bus boy after hours.
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 05:46 AM
Apr 2012

Stabbed, got away hid in the walk in where they came back and stabbed him dead. He wrote the murderer's name with 1000 Island dressing and blood on a box. I carry@ open and @ close. I will not be an easy victim.

shadowrider

(4,941 posts)
11. I don't blame you
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 06:36 AM
Apr 2012

But make sure you card the bad guys before you shoot. I'd hate for you to defend yourself against a child (16, 17 year old) who is pointing a gun at you with no proof he/she would actually pull the trigger. Hurt that child, and the anti's will have your a*s on a gurney before you know what's happened.

era veteran

(4,069 posts)
12. I would only shoot as a last resort.
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 06:35 AM
Apr 2012

Last edited Sat Apr 21, 2012, 10:23 AM - Edit history (1)

Too easy to lose your ass in the courts even if it was lawful.
But I would before I really lost my ass.
Remembering a good man killed for nothing. Stafford Clay Nelson
http://www.lexingtonprosecutor.com/?p=5613

Edit note, I am sorry but there is a video link on this link. It is extremely graphic and made me cry after all these years, I don't cry much) so think about it before you look. He was my friend.

shadowrider

(4,941 posts)
13. Dang
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 11:18 AM
Apr 2012

Not one anti on this board who insists "if you give the bad guy stuff they won't hurt you" has bothered to post on this thread, even after specific invitations.

Wonder why that is........

 

WinniSkipper

(363 posts)
14. I keep asking if
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 12:32 PM
Apr 2012

...after this senseless situation in AL, that maybe we could get some agreement on this statement.

Can we "finally agree that we will no longer hear that firing a warning shot or shooting to wound is a good idea. Why don't you be the first to join me? "

Please note shadowrider - this is not directed at you - but someone on the opposite side who I have been having a conversation with about the AL shooting.

I have posted this question a number of times to a person I have been disagreeing with. No answers.

I hope someone will answer, so that in all future discussions of the issue, when someone says "fire a warning shot" or "shoot to wound", we can point to our brethren across the aisle and agree on this issue.

 

WinniSkipper

(363 posts)
16. Specifically those Democrats on the board who are pro gun control
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 01:52 PM
Apr 2012

...or Anti Gun, or whatever term is applicable to their situation, who perpetually insist every time there is a self defense shooting that people should "shoot to wound" or "fire warning shots".

Every time someone on the "Pro 2A" side says that is not a good idea, someone (usually a number of people) from the "Anti 2A" side will insist that a waning shot, or a shot to the leg is the best idea.

I am hoping this tragedy in Alabama will at least lead to an accord on both sides that warning shots, or shooting to wound, are not good ideas, Ever.

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