Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumOn Brewer's desk: bill to ease gun limits in public buildings (Arizona)
PHOENIX - Guns in public buildings are just a Jan Brewer signature away from being legal, for the second time in two years.
On a 19-11 vote, the Senate on Thursday approved overriding existing laws that say governments need only to post a sign at the entrance of a public building to make it illegal for visitors to enter when armed.
HB 2729 would still allow government agencies to keep their buildings off-limits to guns, but only if they install metal detectors and armed guards at all entrances.
The vote sends the bill to the governor, who vetoed a similar measure last year.
But Brewer, who has pronounced herself a strong proponent of the Second Amendment right to bear arms, said that veto was not because she was against the concept. Instead, the governor said the wording was flawed and could cause potential confusion about exactly where people could and could not bring their weapons.
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/on-brewer-s-desk-bill-to-ease-gun-limits-in/article_78feda09-c391-5c59-a3a7-8f9664f62d0f.html
She's doing it the right way. You want no guns in a government building, fine. Just protect everyone inside from the lone madman who, before, could just walk in and open fire on a target rich environment.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)You host a positively perverted world view.
Simo 1939_1940
(768 posts)of mass murderers.
But don't let an opportunity to spin get away from you now.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)Glaug-Eldare
(1,089 posts)We use it frequently as a sarcastic reference to the effects of "gun-free zones" on criminals, as opposed to law-abiding citizens. No murderous intent is meant at all, trust me.
shadowrider
(4,941 posts)How'd that work out?
ileus
(15,396 posts)krispos42
(49,445 posts)Mental-health history check, one-handgun-a-month limit, 10-round-magazine limit, no teachers or students allowed to carry on campus.
and because it didn't work, it's somebody else's fault.
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Callisto32
(2,997 posts)It means "a place that contains a group of people who can be easily victimized by a person wielding 100+ year old technology, because the administration...somewhere, decided that its placebo of 'gun free zone' would make them all feel better, despite the empirical evidence indicating that those bent on mass murder and the violation of Natural Law will give not one whit about statutory law or regulation."
"Target rich environment" takes a hell of a lot less keystrokes.
English, what an awesome language.
Glaug-Eldare
(1,089 posts)so you can retrieve your gun when leaving the building. In the words of Chris Rock:
Never go to (public buildings) with metal detectors. Sure it feels safe inside. But what about all those (people) waiting outside with guns? They know you ain't got one.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)You live a fucked up life.
Glaug-Eldare
(1,089 posts)I carry a Leatherman tool around religiously (we are still fighting to get handgun permits issued in this state) -- I haven't gone outside without it for about three years, except for a handful of times when I knew I'd have to go through a security checkpoint. If I could've rented a locker, or had a guard put it away for me, I would've been much happier to be able to resume my life that much more quickly and easily. Also worth mentioning that one time I went to the county courthouse, I forgot to leave it in my car, and had to walk quite a ways back to my car because there was no way to store it at the checkpoint.
AH1Apache
(502 posts)He posted a quote by Chris Rock, but we've come to expect crap like this from the likes of the anti gun crowd.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)AH1Apache
(502 posts)Where did I say it hurts? All I said was that the poster was quoting Chris Rock and that we've come to expect comments like yours from the anti gun crowd.
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AH1Apache
(502 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)shadowrider
(4,941 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)... that would suggest they be excluded from being treated like any other unsecured building.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)there are lot of people whom some unbalanced folks think of as 'their enemies'.
DonP
(6,185 posts)Just like Cho realized that V Tech was a totally gun free campus.
Unbalanced people, unlike the vast majority of CCW permit holders, don't have a great track record of obeying signs and gun bans.
It's about as logical as trying to control crime by disarming all the law abiding citizens.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)for weapons. Why invite the crazies to bring their guns with them?>
Callisto32
(2,997 posts)Some you can walk right in.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)Most courthouses have physical security. Few government buildings do.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)1. Crazies don't care about invitations.
2. Not all who carry a sidearm are crazies. Not by a wide margin.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)If the building tends to be a place of conflict similar to court houses, I have no problem with armed guards and metal detectors disarming everyone on the way in just like the court houses. However, the common methods of using signs to disarm everyone except the trouble makers makes no sense since the trouble makers are the ones who need to be disarmed first.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)I would suggest that, unless you have some prior experience with shooting at people you are probably going to be more of a danger to yourself and/or others than to a gun-wielding nut.
Callisto32
(2,997 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)You statement suggests you have no clue as to what you are talking about.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)he is asking why should you be prevented from
you are asking why one would or should.
The answer to your question depends on the individual circumstance.
My circumstance, there is no reason for me to.
A lady filing a restraining order, would have more reason. But being Florida, hope she can get a parking space where the deputies (who operate the metal detectors) at the door could come to her rescue if needed.
One of my county commissioners has had threats on his life. Same as reason number two.
safeinOhio
(32,532 posts)on DU to ever admit it.
AH1Apache
(502 posts)on this issue, but I certainly don't support her on just about everything else as I'm sure most other people in this group don't support her on most of the issues.
Your post has a tinge of dishonesty to it.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)DUer giving Brewer a star and a pat on the head for doing something that isn't stupid. Are you saying Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders (and Thom Hartmann and Pat Buchanan for that matter) should not agree on corporate welfare, empire, the fed? Ron Paul is full of shit on pretty much everything else.
shadowrider
(4,941 posts)I support this gun measure.
safeinOhio
(32,532 posts)Only praise no caveat posted.
I have posted positive actions by republicans and have always added it being unusual.
Sorry, most likely a Freudian, type, slip on your part.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)No walk-backs.
mvccd1000
(1,534 posts)Yet another bonehead move by Brewer.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/04/17/20120417arizona-gun-bill-public-property-brewer-veto.html