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Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:20 AM

So Mitt Romney is Speaking Before the NRA Convention in St. Louis Today

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Romney has an uneasy relationship with gun owners. "I don't line up with the NRA," he said when he tried to oust Sen. Edward M. Kennedy in Massachusetts in 1994.

When Romney ran successfully for Massachusetts governor in 2002, the NRA gave his Democratic opponent a higher rating on gun-rights issues but made no endorsement.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/13/romney-to-woo-key-conservative-group-at-nra-event/

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“He supported the Brady Bill, supported the gun ban, increased taxes on gun licenses by 400 percent when he was in the state of Massachusetts,” Santorum, who exited the race on April 10, said while campaigning in Pennsylvania on April 4.
Raised Gun Fees

Romney, 65, also backed a ban on certain assault weapons in a 1994 federal anti-crime bill. As governor, he signed legislation that raised gun license fees from $25 to $100 to help close a state budget deficit, while also extending license durations to mitigate the increased cost, according to a Boston Globe report.
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In 2002, while he was running for governor, Romney said: “We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts. I support them. I won’t chip away at them. I believe they help protect us and provide for our safety.”
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http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-04-13/romney-varmint-hunting-tales-aimed-at-gun-owning-skeptics


How much do you want to bet these snakes are going to endorse his lying two-faced ass? One good speech and his entire anti-gun history is swept under the rug?

I gave the NRA the benefit of the doubt when they backed so many pro-gun Democrats who were up for re-election in 2010, but I don't know if I can forgive them if they endorse Mittens over Obama, or only run anti-Obama ads.

If they were consistent to their principles, they'd just refuse to endorse anyone for the presidential race this year. But considering how many right-wingers are sitting on their Executive Board, I fear political expediency is going to trump reason in this matter.

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Reply So Mitt Romney is Speaking Before the NRA Convention in St. Louis Today (Original post)
LAGC Apr 2012 OP
no_hypocrisy Apr 2012 #1
gejohnston Apr 2012 #2
no_hypocrisy Apr 2012 #7
TheCowsCameHome Apr 2012 #3
gejohnston Apr 2012 #4
TheCowsCameHome Apr 2012 #5
Remmah2 Apr 2012 #9
NeverEnuff Apr 2012 #6
sarisataka Apr 2012 #10
derby378 Apr 2012 #14
sarisataka Apr 2012 #17
derby378 Apr 2012 #18
sarisataka Apr 2012 #19
PavePusher Apr 2012 #11
intaglio Apr 2012 #8
spin Apr 2012 #12
ToolMaker Apr 2012 #13
ellisonz Apr 2012 #16
ellisonz Apr 2012 #15

Response to LAGC (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:27 AM

1. Bet he'll promise more SYG laws in more states.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:47 AM

2. which as president

he can't deliver because of the way our federal system works.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:13 AM

7. Doesn't matter. It sounds good when it's said.

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story . . . .

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:48 AM

3. Romney will wave his NRA lifetime membership card

and the NRA officers will eagerly fellate him as they do most republican candidates.

The NRA will lap up his lies and pass them on to their stupid members.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:51 AM

4. is he one?

I can't imagine someone who can't remember if he owned a gun or what he hunted.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:54 AM

5. He is. They'll take anyone.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:51 AM

9. He can wipe his ass with it. nt

 

nt

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:55 AM

6. Hypocrisy

Obama has signed two pro gun bills allowing people to carry guns in National Parks and on Amtrak. He has not proposed any gun control laws. Yet he is Anti gun? What cracks me up is that the gun nuts say you can't change the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. They are too ignorant to realize that an Amendment is a change by definition.

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Response to NeverEnuff (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 05:09 PM

10. Yet Obama's history...

is anti-gun. By the same standard so is Romney...

This isn't (and shouldn't be) a one issue election. The NRA will endorse Romney because he will tell them what they want to hear. Then he will leave a trail of slime to his next stop where he will tell those people what they want to hear.

As far as GC issues- better the devil you know...

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:05 PM

14. So far, Reagan has grabbed more guns than Obama

Look up "Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986" and "Hughes amendment."

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Response to derby378 (Reply #14)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 03:03 AM

17. By history...

I was referring to his pre-presidential days.

Since becoming #1, he has been surprisingly neutral, if not slightly pro. There is F&F but I see Holder accountable for that fiasco.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #17)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 02:45 PM

18. I wouldn't be surprised if F&F is traced back to the Bush administration

It seems like the half-assed sort of thing that a Bush AG would pull. But if the buck truly stops with Holder, he'll have to answer for this.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 02:59 PM

19. I think Holder

Got the idea from Bush's AGs. They seemed to be fuzzy on the concepts of laws and rights

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Response to NeverEnuff (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 06:32 PM

11. The change in Park regulations was a rider on the critically important credit reform bill.

 

The AMTRACK reg change was an amendment to the transportation and housing appropriations bill in 2009.

I don't think he'd have signed them as stand-alone laws. YMMV.

That said, I think every individual law needs to be stand-alone. No unrelated riders, amendments or codicils on any piece of legislation. That would make bills and resulting laws more transparent, and make each legislater's voting record perfectly clear.

I have a dream....

Previous to his presidential campaign, President Obama's pro-gun-restriction record was pretty evident, both in his voting record and public speaking.

And sure you can change an Amendment (well, actually, pass a new one negating a previous one). But it's a specific process (Article V), you can't do it merely by judicial fiat or common legislation.

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:27 AM

8. Old Etch-a-Sketch will just shake and erase the past

"Gun laws, always been for easing gun laws, and SYG and you can't prove otherwise, my friend,"

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:38 PM

12. Do not expect gun owners to rush out to the polls to vote for Romney ...

we can see a pandering politician from a mile away.

Admittedly I am a Democrat and I did vote for Obama mainly because I did my research and found that while it was true that he was a politician from one of the most anti-gun states in the union, he seemed to have a different approach while campaigning for President in 2008. He would have had little chance of getting elected as a dog catcher in Daley controlled Chicago with a pro-gun attitude.

But his comments on gun control during the last election and the fact that he didn't run out and buy a brand new camouflage hunting outfit and walk out in the the wilderness for a photo shoot with a bunch of real hunters to hunt geese impressed me. I voted for him and he was elected. He has not disappointed me with his views on control since the election. If anything, he has been pro gun ownership and gun rights.

If the Republican party feels that they they can repackage Romney as pro-gun and get gun owners to enthusiastically show up at at the polls, they are mistaken.





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Response to spin (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:11 PM

13. I kinda agree with you...

Obama's record on gun control is still a cause of concern for me. I am hoping that in a second term, he will not prove a lot of people right by changing his stance back to his Chicago heritage. Politicians are quite good at pandering to any given group when it suits their goals and then making a 180 degree turn around.

Campaign speeches and comments are great for sound bites on the evening news, but I still believe in action over words. My personal opinion is that Obama's views on gun ownership are probably exactly what has been displayed in his past actions. The real test will be to see if he lets his personal opinions influence his policy decisions in the matter. If not, FANTASTIC!! If so, I think it says a great many negative things about his character. We shall see...

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Response to ToolMaker (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:18 PM

16. What are some "negative things about his [Obama's] character" in your opinion? n/t

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:15 PM

15. Why are you surprised?

1. They're endorsing Romney.

2. The NRA will run only anti-Obama and anti-Democrat ads.

3. The NRA has no principles, they have a business interest and a consumer base.

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