Arizona Governor signs another pro-gun hunting bill

[GreenStormCloud]

http://www.nraila.org/hunting/issues-and-alerts/2012/4/arizona-governor-signs-hunter-protection-bill-into-law.aspx

Last night, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer signed House Bill 2457 into law. This legislation will allow hunters to carry a handgun for self-defense while in the field. This important hunter protection bill passed the state Senate by a 21 to 7 vote on April 4 and passed in the House by a 54 to 4 vote on March 5.

Sponsored by state Representative Brenda Barton (R-5), HB 2457 will allow an individual to carry an additional firearm for personal protection while hunting, as long as that firearm is not used for the taking of wildlife. With the surge in violence along Arizona’s southern border, this bill will provide hunters with the ability to adequately defend themselves from a variety of potential crimes.
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Step by step common-sense gun rights are being restored.

[TheCowsCameHome]

1. This is from the Onion, right?

Oh? - it's not?

Yay Jan Brewer. Our kind of leader.

[ellisonz]

2. All Hail Governor Jan Brewer of Arizona!

Proponent of the Gun Rights Agenda! Real

[fightthegoodfightnow]

27. Exactly

But heh.....clearly some DU members agree with her......

[gejohnston]

29. do you have a legitimate reason to disagree?

or snark and spew stupid shit?

[gejohnston]

8. I Dem would have signed it

it is really one of those non issue kind of laws. You are already carrying a much more powerful rifle, what is your point?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

14. EXACTLY

.

[Politicalboi]

3. I hope tourism in AZ

Goes down in droves over these gun nut laws. I wouldn't feel safe to even wilderness camp anymore.

[gejohnston]

5. hunters carrying pistols would be a major danger to you?

do you think before you type? It is a hunting regulation allowing you to carry a pistol while hunting. How is that a danger to wilderness campers?
Hikers always could carry outside of hunting season.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

15. BRAVO

...looney toon state.

[rl6214]

81. I'd be more worried about someone smuggling pot or even growing it in the wilderness

Than I would about a hunter carrying a pistol along with his hunting rifle.

[gejohnston]

85. he seems to think that

anyone who likes organic protein is a savage sociopath who is out to kill all peace loving people. At the same time, he seems to have the delusion that drug smugglers and growers are enlightened capitalists and peaceful agrarians who sing Grateful Dead songs while toiling in the fields.

[gejohnston]

4. I didn't know they never could

carry a pistol while hunting.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

6. Hell, you can carry a gun at the supermarket in Tucson, why would you not be able to take one

hunting? Hell, we went dove hunting last year and I was the only one who didn't bring a handgun.

[gejohnston]

7. Game regulations have nothing to do with Tucson supermarkets

so what was the point in signing the law?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

18. So

.....they were breaking the law....did you report it?

[provis99]

9. apparently,

robbery of armed hunters is a big problem in Arizona, so they need a handgun to protect themselves while armed with a rifle.

[gejohnston]

11. as long as I can

backpack with my pistol, so what?
I can see the game regulation, but since we are talking out in the sticks, what difference does it make?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

17. LOL ...you nailed it.

.

[spin]

127. In Florida, some hunters have told me that a wild boar can tree you ...

and since you usually leave your rifle or shotgun at the base of the tree when you start climbing it, they said that it was wise to carry a handgun.

[provis99]

130. that's nice...

but the handgun law in this case is specifically for carrying handguns to use against presumed human criminals.

[gejohnston]

131. not really a handgun law

it is a hunting regulation that only applied only to hunters. IOW, on the same day in the same place, I could have a pistol hiking but Spin could not because he was hunting.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

10. Talk About Ridiculous

From the article

This legislation will allow hunters to carry a handgun for self-defense while in the field

Right.....because so many hunters with hunting rifles are the victim of so much crime in hunting areas....I mean.....my goodness...it's epidemic. Without this 'important' common sense legislation, how exactly will they ever be able to defend themselves.....let's face it.....a rifle just can't kill anything these days.

Coming soon to NRA Educational Forum: How to put your rifle down quickly to use your hand gun to stop an assault in the woods where everyone knows ....it's a living cesspool of crime.

[gejohnston]

12. stumble across some pot farm or meth lab

yes you can be a violent crime victim out in the sticks. So, what's your point? Hikers always could, the prohibition seems to be only hunters during hunting season.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

13. How will that work

...one hand on the rifle and one on the gun....truly ridiculous.

You can take down a deer with a rifle but not a human for a threat that exists only in your mind.

[ManiacJoe]

22. Using the handgun would be quicker than reloading your 5-round rifle.

AZ hunters are still limited to 5-round magazines, right?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

25. And you just can't take a violent mugger down in the woods with that.......

.

[ManiacJoe]

28. Maybe you cannot.

Why do you insist on being so silly. This topic was never about "muggers" even though you keep trying.

[gejohnston]

30. because they can't make a valid point

but insist on typing petty stupid shit.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

35. Violent Crime in Hunting Areas

/Do you really need two firearms to deal with a nonexistent threat?

[ManiacJoe]

38. nonexistent threat?

Your posts would be quite funny if you did not actually believe the nonsense you post.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

42. And nothing to substantiate the need for two firearms to do what one can

.

[ManiacJoe]

44. The hole you are digging could be done more efficiently

if you would upgrade from a spoon to a shovel.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

50. HUh

Anything anchored in a train of thought that merits discourse?

[PavePusher]

89. It appears so.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/border/armed-guards-ensuring-safety-of-organ-pipe-tours/article_ff023cb3-993e-51e2-932d-9fac0015a356.html

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/border/photos-armed-guards-accompany-organ-pipe-nm-tour/collection_436bf0a6-6ed1-11e1-bbd6-001871e3ce6c.html

http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-st-louis/the-most-dangerous-national-park-the-u-s

http://lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=671280

Or are these folks just silly and irresponsible?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

114. Seriously

Didn't even bother.

If we are going to do links I could waste your time by posting tens of thousands of links from gun victims.

[PavePusher]

129. Dodge.

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/artfuldodger.htm

[fightthegoodfightnow]

134. Yea

.....no doubt a self portrait......Me think the man doth protest to much.....

Let me know when we shall return to talking about gosh........say arms.......You know what the board is about.

[AH1Apache]

96. And who the hell are you

to question what we need?

[gejohnston]

102. some urbanite

that thinks "what seems like common sense" in the concrete jungle works in the backwoods, and gives him revealed knowledge that makes him wiser about backwoods stuff, including how to get a T-Mobile signal in Yellowstone, than the rest of us.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

112. LOL

Don't you just love it when citizens question the law or the need for one.

It's an American value.

[gejohnston]

118. Don't you?

That is an American value, or are you OK with drug laws? Do you question the need for drug laws? Laws against same sex marriage? Works both ways.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

119. Huh

What part of 'Don't you just love it when citizens question the law or the need for one. It's an American value'???????

I question any law I disagree with including those regarding same sex marriage, guns, and drugs and so should anyone including you.

[gejohnston]

120. Right

Questioning any law you think is unjust, unneeded, or just disagree with is an American value. It is a good American value.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

121. Agree

.

[X_Digger]

31. Where do you get this violent mugger shit?

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20100819/ARTICLES/100819415

BLM personnel said the five hunters were on Trail 8 near the Red Mountain Campground on South Cow Mountain's west side when they noticed drip irrigation tubing of the kind often used in pot gardens and were confronted by two armed Latino men.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=4579512

Hunters looking for deer in the mountains of central Utah found something much different and much more expensive: marijuana plants worth millions of dollars on the street.

http://blog.chron.com/newswatch/2011/08/khou-hog-hunter-finds-10000-marijuana-plants-in-sam-houston-national-forest/

A hunter looking for wild hogs stumbled across a massive marijuana growing operation in Sam Houston National Forest, KHOU-TV reports on its website. Montgomery County sheriff’s officials and state troopers found 10,000 plants and growing equipment near FM 1375 and FM 149 in Montgomery County. The pot was destroyed in an incinerator, but no arrests

http://www.fbi.gov/milwaukee/press-releases/2012/minnesota-man-sentenced-for-marijuana-grow-operation-in-national-forest

MADISON, WI—John W. Vaudreuil, United States Attorney for the Western District of Wisconsin, announced that Norberto Burciaga, 40, St. Paul, Minnesota, was sentenced today by U.S. District Judge Barbara B. Crabb to 10 years in federal prison for his involvement in a conspiracy to manufacture marijuana in the Chequamegon-Nicolet National Forest during 2011. Burciaga pleaded guilty to the conspiracy charge in December 2011.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

34. So

....look at that....and it was done all without the need for two firearms.

[X_Digger]

39. So.. you got nothing?

You just pulled this 'violent mugger' schtick from your nether regions?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

41. Which is it?

Violent muggers or pot/meth criminals who want to kill you?

Good grief.

[X_Digger]

43. You are the one who brought up 'violent muggers'. That's your straw man. Not mine. n/t

[fightthegoodfightnow]

52. So Why Exactly do you need two firearms

One is not good enough for you?

The risk is so low as to be nonexistent.

Other than pot farms and meth labs I haven't heard anything.

[ManiacJoe]

56. Why do you dismiss the pot farms and meth labs?

How about the feral hogs in some places?
How about the drug smugglers and people smugglers?

[X_Digger]

57. An unloaded long hunting rifle, slung over your back, maybe in a sleeve or case..

... is not a good self-defense weapon.

If you're moving through heavy brush or dense forest, it's a good idea to keep your gun and especially optics covered and protected.

That's also assuming you're not going *bow* hunting.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

62. And again...what is the need that is so much more threatening to you...

...than what a city dweller like me faces yet has no need for a gun

[X_Digger]

67. Self-defense. 2 legged or 4 legged.

I doubt you'd stumble across a couple of acres of pot fields in urban DC.

The other situation where a handgun would come in handy is if you were up a tree chased by a 500lb boar, rifle or bow somewhere around the base of the tree.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

69. Right

...and a hand gun is going to fix that ....because a rifle can't.

[X_Digger]

71. What part of.. 'around the base of the tree' didn't you get? n/t

[fightthegoodfightnow]

72. The Part that Made it Relevant

.

[ManiacJoe]

74. I will give you credit for your honest answer.

However, short of video, I cannot come up with words to more simply describe the situation that has you confused.

[X_Digger]

77. You are up a tree, your gun is on the ground. What, are you telekinetic?!?

Derp.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

78. Ok.....

.....I'll leave you to map out the multitude of scenerios that allow you to come up with your ......logic.

You run up that tree.....and leave your rifle on the ground....kind of makes my point...it could make things worse.

[ManiacJoe]

79. Please elaborate on your "worse".

How does having a second firearm not help in this situation?

[X_Digger]

80. 'makes things worse' -- what, the feral boar is going to steal it and start a life of crime?!?

You seem to be pretty out of touch with how people hunt or what they're faced with on a pretty regular basis.

Why should I give a damn what a city-dweller who thinks you can whip out a cell phone in a national forest and call a cop thinks?

[PavePusher]

90. Have you ever tried to climb a tree while carrying a rifle, either in hand, or on a sling?

While being pursued by a large, angry, animal fully capable of killing you?

While certainly educational, it's only entertaining weeks later on video.

[rl6214]

83. Do you know what a black powder rifle is and how it works?

You do know there are black powder seasons where that is all you can use or take into the field, right? You've shot your one shot you have in your rifle, then what?

[ellisonz]

32. Not any more...

The first Arizona governor signs a gun nut bill thread

[X_Digger]

45. Oh look...

ellisonz finds the link button and changes a headline rather than actually commenting

[ellisonz]

55. Bite me.

[AH1Apache]

97. That's original

what's the matter, he got to you?

[oneshooter]

101. Thats just his idea of "civil conversation".

[ManiacJoe]

46. Thank you for the reminder.

[GreenStormCloud]

95. No. In the last few days that law was repealed.

They can now have unlimited magazines. Of course most will still have 5-round hunting rifles.

[gejohnston]

23. you need to get out of the city more often

either way, there is no rational reason for the rule when non hunters may. As for a "imaginary threat" it is the main reason game wardens in states like Wyoming started carrying guns in the past 30 years.

When I was a kid, game wardens never wore guns. Might have kept one in the truck, but never wore it when they stopped you, knowing there was a 100 percent chance you had one or two.

If you think pot growers, including ones who farm in national parks and wilderness areas are somehow more ethical than Exxon, Big Tobacco, or the mob, you are being truly ridiculous.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1951&dat=19811213&id=Pe0iAAAAIBAJ&sjid=6YcFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1153,4514860

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayerthorpe_tragedy

[fightthegoodfightnow]

24. Creative

Unarmed against a pot grower.....oh but wait......you already are.

Game wardens carry guns why? Oh...never mind.....

[gejohnston]

26. they didn't until 30 years ago

because of pot farmers, meth labs etc. It wasn't the guys with the dead deer they were worried about. These guys would stop a vehicle out in the wilderness (and I do mean wilderness), walk up unarmed to a vehicle full of people with guns. Ironic isn't it? These guys would walk up to a car full of the people you seem to detest, but get shot at from the people you don't seem to have a problem with.
Do you have a legitimate problem with this regulation change? (It is really just a hunting regulation, not some sweeping gun legislation) Or is it just regional bigotry about a place where you don't give a shit about, people you detest? I have yet to see a point, valid or otherwise, from any on your side.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

33. Gun advocates are always complaining about how Gun Control advocates are always putting new .....

...restrictions on them....

Not so much from what I've seen recently. If you are going to give the law the authority to expand your right to use a gun, don't complain about it when it used to restrict your gun use.

I'm not buying your meth/pot farms justification. Take your cell phone and call it in.

I don't detest you. I disagree with you.

[gejohnston]

36. Problem is

I'm not buying your meth/pot farms justification. Take your cell phone and call it in.

That is why conservation officers started carrying. That is what they said in their press release back then. Call it if you can. If the grower is there, they would just as soon as blow you away as look at you. The county I'm from is about the same land area as Massachusetts, with less than 38K population. I would be amazed if there is any cell coverage.

Again, this is some hunting regulation. A non hunter can carry a pistol at the same time and area.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

40. And you think two firearms is going to help?

.

[ManiacJoe]

51. Certainly won't hurt.

What is the "logic" behind the limit you are pushing?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

53. Or help

LOL.

[ManiacJoe]

58. Assuming that you are not the one doing the carrying

why do you care what the number is?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

60. One Could Argue

....it could cause more problems than it solves....and it's unnecessary.

[ManiacJoe]

63. So, let's hear the argument.

[PavePusher]

91. And your evidence is...? n/t

[X_Digger]

47. A cell phone in the middle of a national forest?!? *snort*

Yeah, you really do need to get out more.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

49. Change Carriers

snort.

[X_Digger]

59. OMFG, you really are a city dweller, aren't you?!?! n/t

[fightthegoodfightnow]

61. Right

...but this city dweller feels safe enough not to need one gun far less two.

[X_Digger]

64. Feel free to go to a national forest and try to get cell service.

LOL! And no, there's no starbucks or a bathroom within walking distance, either.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

68. Look I Get It

...you're scared without your guns....I'm not.

[X_Digger]

70. "Take your cell phone and call it in." -- *snort*

Much as you want to backpedal, you're not going to live that one down.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

73. Better Yet

Give it a good throw. LOL

[rl6214]

87. "m not buying your meth/pot farms justification. Take your cell phone and call it in."

Take a look at the coverage maps of the major cell providers, especially in the western parts of the US. See if you can get any sort of coverage out in the sticks. I live in far west Texas and have Verizon wireless which I think has some of the best coverage. I was fishing last weekend near Ruidoso, NM and as soon as I left town I lost my cell service.

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/CoverageLocatorController?requesttype=NEWREQUEST&zip=79912&city=El_Paso&state=TX

[rl6214]

82. So you are hunting with a black powder rifle and have just shot your one shot and are

confronted by smugglers, what do you do then? Do you know how to load a black powder rifle? It can take a few minutes to do.

[PavePusher]

88. Most hunters (in my experience) carry the rifle on their shoulder via a sling.

It's faster to draw a pistol from a proper holster than to unsling and ready a rifle.

[petronius]

16. Rational and reasonable - no reason why a hunter shouldn't be able to carry what

anyone else would be allowed to have.

I do wonder though (and I'm not a hunter so this may not make sense): what happens to a hunter who decides to use a cheap handgun bullet to dispatch a wounded animal rather than a knife or expensive rifle bullet?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

19. He puts his rifle down and that mugger comes from behind and assaults him

.....truly ridiculous.

[Remmah2]

100. There seems to be a grand ignorance of hunting.

Many times in the field hunters unload their long rifles and or are carrying them unloaded. It's a good practice founded on safe firearm handling.

Surprised?

The second amandment and hunting laws are two separate categories. Rabidly ignorant gun prohibitionist like to lump the issue into one heap.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

104. An education

Grand ignorance?

Right ......so having two unloaded fire arms is so much easier to quickly and safely respond to a nonexistent threat in the woods because you need both? Illogical.

If it makes you feel good to characterize every post of mine (or me personally) as ignorant, go for it. You'll never educate anyone (if that's your 'grand' plan) by calling them ignorant......just makes you sound stupid and your point if you have one is completely lost.

If you were smart, you'd try successfully try to understand and address why 'Rabidly ignorant gun Prohibitionists' think guns are a problem in America rather than feigning ignorance and indifference to the problem.

[petronius]

105. Why would it be "two unloaded guns"? It seems to me that it's currently legal

for anyone who is not hunting to carry a loaded handgun in a holster - only hunters were prohibited from doing so. So all this law does is extend to hunters the same privilege that everyone else in the backcountry already had.

Since it is safer (for hunter and gun) to carry the rifle unloaded, a properly holstered handgun would be nice to have accessible in the event a coyote (human or otherwise) jumps you, a cougar decides to dispute the deer, you walk into a meth lab or pot farm, or a pissed off boar chases you up a tree.

I'm unable to see any argument against this law: it doesn't add any more armed people to the wilderness, it has no resource implication, and it may make hunters a bit safer. So in all seriousness, what is your objection here?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

108. The need to legislate for a nonexistent problem.

.

[petronius]

111. Isn't leaving a useless law on the books an existent problem worth legislating?

And really, if there's no harm, why is it a problem to pass legislation that allows people to exercise more choices?

In this case, however, there really is a benefit - real hazards exist in the wilderness, and a handgun is a useful tool for dealing with them. Why should hunters (unlike other wilderness users) be denied that tool, if there's no danger or cost involved in allowing it and no reason not to?

[ManiacJoe]

106. Yes, ignorant.

Instead of asking questions, you keep making inaccurate assumptions.

Right ......so having two unloaded fire arms is so much easier to quickly and safely respond to a nonexistent threat in the woods because you need both? Illogical.

What leads you to believe that a hunter would have two unloaded guns with him when those two guns are the hunting rifle and the handgun?

PS. "Ignorant" is not an insult, it is just a description of a small level of knowledge; a level that can be upgraded if the person so desires.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

107. Who said two guns?

Not me. Read what I said.

[ManiacJoe]

109. You said it. I quoted you exactly.

The quote is all of paragraph #2 from post 104.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

110. Nah

...you didn't.

[ManiacJoe]

113. I wish you would share whatever it is you are smoking.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

115. Another immature response

.

[ManiacJoe]

116. That is rich, coming from you. How do you categorize your post #110?

One could easily mistake it for a bold-face lie if you don't want to call it a "very large typo."

[fightthegoodfightnow]

117. Ok....Smoke away....I'll stoop to your level since you think that will help you

Nothing to do with board though.

Make your case.......talk about 'fire arms or rifles or guns' (equating all under the auspices of the Natl 'Rifle' Association').....but smoking anything has nothing to do with the board or my reality as much as you may want it to.

[ManiacJoe]

122. You seem very confused, but I will help you out.

fightthegoodfightnow, in post 104:

Grand ignorance?

Right ......so having two unloaded fire arms is so much easier to quickly and safely respond to a nonexistent threat in the woods because you need both? Illogical.

If it makes you feel good to characterize every post of mine (or me personally) as ignorant, go for it. You'll never educate anyone (if that's your 'grand' plan) by calling them ignorant......just makes you sound stupid and your point if you have one is completely lost.

If you were smart, you'd try successfully try to understand and address why 'Rabidly ignorant gun Prohibitionists' think guns are a problem in America rather than feigning ignorance and indifference to the problem.

ManiacJoe, in post 106:

Instead of asking questions, you keep making inaccurate assumptions.

Right ......so having two unloaded fire arms is so much easier to quickly and safely respond to a nonexistent threat in the woods because you need both? Illogical.

What leads you to believe that a hunter would have two unloaded guns with him when those two guns are the hunting rifle and the handgun?

PS. "Ignorant" is not an insult, it is just a description of a small level of knowledge; a level that can be upgraded if the person so desires.

fightthegoodfightnow, in post 107:

Who said two guns?
Not me. Read what I said.

ManiacJoe, post 109:

You said it. I quoted you exactly.
The quote is all of paragraph #2 from post 104.

fightthegoodfightnow, post 110:

Nah
...you didn't.

--------------------------------------------
My post 106 does contain the exact quote of the text you posted in 104. Your denial in 110 is silly at best.

Now if you are trying to be even more silly by suggesting the "firearms" and "guns" are not synonyms and by suggesting that "rifles" and "handguns" are not subcategories of them, then your level of ignorance is beyond my desires to help you.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

123. Ok

...You obviously wasted your time rationalizing a word I didn't say because you think one word is no different than another.

Words have different meanings......

[ManiacJoe]

124. OK, I will play your game.

Please, give us the difference between "firearm" and "gun" as you intended in post 104.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

125. Oh you aren't playing

We're are on different fields and teams. Nah... I'll just let you laugh thinking you won and save us both the trouble. LOL.

[PavePusher]

128. Don't waste your time with the Jello.

It's been studying in Canada.

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/artfuldodger.htm

[Clames]

126. Two only has one meaning.

Toddlers who are learning to speak are excused but you have no legitimate reason...

[bongbong]

20. Next on the agenda

Hunters will be able to carry hand grenades, since you never know when you will stumble upon a bunker filled with Nazis.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

21. SO TRUE

.........LOL

[rl6214]

92. So idiotic

........LOL

[gejohnston]

37. most Nazis are in Illinois

and California.

[sarisataka]

93. Could happen...

It would ruin the meat but Nazis are pretty stringy anyway.

... maybe I said too much

[msongs]

48. gun owners...hunting each other lol nt

[fightthegoodfightnow]

54. THERE YOU HAVE IT

.

[gejohnston]

65. regional and cultural bigotry

I stand by what I said, agreeing with msongs proves it.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

66. Nonsense

What part is not true...

gun owners shooting gun owners.

[gejohnston]

75. gangsters and pot growers are not

the Happy Jack's Rod and Gun Club, which is what you are implying.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

76. Huh?

Making assumptions not in evidence.

[Remmah2]

99. Depending the hunting/fishing location it is possible to run into a clandestine lab, still,

or pot growing operation. Operators have been known to guard and/or booby trap their lair. The drug operation encampments can be set up on public land to avoid property seizure laws.

Drug smugglers?

Persons wanting to indulge in recreational drug use also camp in remote areas. I certainly try to avoid people on mind bending experiences who's physical and mental capacity are diminished.

Believe it or not, poaches still exist out there.

[elleng]

94. If only that were all there was to it.

[AH1Apache]

98. And another truly idiotic

post by msongs.

[oneshooter]

103. At least he/she/it is maintaining a steady supply of them.

[AH1Apache]

132. You're right about that

He/She/It is maintaining a steady supply of truly idiotic posts.

[sarisataka]

84. On one hand...

why not? a hunter already has a much more effective weapon than a handgun. What difference does it make to carry a pistol, it is just extra weight to carry around.

OTH...
Why? two ideas; one, it may be illegal to load your rifle or shotgun until you are in your hunting position so that gun is a fancy club. Or two, it may allow hunters to carry a pistol while bow hunting so that is your only gun.

[ManiacJoe]

86. OK, now you are just showing off with your knowledge of the hunting laws.

[Daninmo]

133. What about archery hunters

I am guessing this applies to them.

Many states don't allow archery hunters to carry a firearm. Archery hunters do occasionally run into bad guys, bandits, drug runners, etc. while out in the woods or desert.