Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumRight To Bear Arms week observed in Montana
The right to keep and bear arms is enshrined in the Bill of Rights, and this week has been set aside to observe the Treasure State's second amendment rights.
Helena Trap Club president Steve Noland says the second amendment is one of the foundations the state of Montana was built on.
Noland says it is very important for people to stay active and to join organizations like the National Rifle Association as well as support their activities so that second amendment rights are preserved.
Noland noted, "If you look at the history of the wars that we have been involved in, you have yet to see someone invade this country and the reason that is, is because they know we have the right to bear arms and that the citizens of the United States are armed."
http://www.kxlh.com/news/right-to-bear-arms-week-observed-in-montana/
Yes, the Japanese invaded the U.S. in WW2, but notice, they didn't attack ANY armed population centers.
MADem
(135,425 posts)oldhippydude
(2,514 posts)i support bare arms
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Tag, you're it.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Although, to be fair, we declared war first, and invaded their territories in Canada.
Also, every other external war we've participated in since then, no-one had the ability to mount a successful invasion either due to limitations on available troops, or transportation. So the armed nation theory is, honestly, rather theoretical. Even as a strongly pro-gun-choice endorser, I can't put too much credit on Nolands assumption.
shadowrider
(4,941 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)according to one biography of Admiral Yamamoto I read some years ago, his entire strategy was to get a stalemate within 18 months, and get a treaty. He believed that if the war went past that, he was screwed.
He was stationed in the US in the 1920s (embassy attache, he was part of the audience when Billy Mitchel did his demostration with the Ostfriedland. That is why he pioneered aircraft carrier tactics and doctrine) and spent his leaves traveling the US and saw our heavy industry centers and their capacity. They were to far inland for strategic bombing. Japanese industry was not. The US had its own raw materials. He had to protect Japan's merchant marine from US subs.
The two quotes attributed to him (one was did not invade US west coast because everyone had guns, another is that Japan did not invade Canada because BC residents would have rifles behind every tree) are bogus (not that they gave a shit about Canada anyway. They wanted our Asian empire along with the Brits and French's) but it makes a cool myth.
The Alaskan trip was a diversion to get our attention from the real mission.
Given that he was against the war to begin with and critical of the Tojo junta, he rarely left his flag ship. When he did, he had a squad of marines protecting him.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)iverglas
(38,549 posts)The right wing, occuping the public spaces of their society with their noxious crap, week in, year out ...
iverglas
(38,549 posts)Oh, oops, that's right.
Funny how they got their asses kicked ...
krispos42
(49,445 posts)...to the aegis of the American Empire. You're welcome!
iverglas
(38,549 posts)If anybody tries to invade Canada, all those up-state New Yorkers and North Dakota...ans, with their assorted odd accents, will grab the tools they keep on the nightstand and under the bed and hop in their SUVs and head north ...
You do know that was the subject, eh? How "nobody has ever invaded the US" has nothing to do with all its military hardware (that being what allegedly keeps Canada from being invaded, I would guess) and everything to do with those things on the nightstand and under the bed?
Such strange views of history. Canada protected by Britain? Hardly. It was Canada that went to the rescue of Britain in I and II (not to mention the earlier Anglo-Boer bother), and the US that sat on its hands in II in particular ... except for all the individual USAmericans who invaded Canada in both episodes to sign up with the Canadian military and join the Canadians already defending Britain and Europe, years before their government decided to get in on the act ...
Lousy job you down there have done, anyhow. There were U-boats in the Gulf of St Lawrence during II. Where were all the damned yankees then?
http://www.junobeach.org/e/2/can-eve-mob-gol-e.htm
In 1812, Canada was a colony, as the US, intensively settled and developed much earlier for climate/geography reasons, had been not long before. The conflict was indeed actually between Britain and the US. But it was Canada that the US invaded, and where it got roundly trounced.
Since 1867, Canada has been a net, actually exclusive, provider of military assistance, not a receiver. Canadian losses in WWII, for example, per capita, were way higher than the US's.
The real reason nobody invades/attacks us would appear to be that we tend not to give anybody reason to ... although Stephen Harper is working on that bit.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)"If anybody tries to invade Canada, all those up-state New Yorkers and North Dakota...ans, with their assorted odd accents"
eh, Hoser?
krispos42
(49,445 posts)My primary thought was that to get to Canada and invade and occupy parts of it would require breaking through the Royal Navy and then maintaining extremely long supply lines for a sustained period of time despite the RN's best (and considerable) efforts to stop it.
At least until the US entered WW2. Then it would be a matter of getting through the RN in the Atlantic and the USN in the Pacific.
I'm not saying there weren't U-boats all over the place... including New York Harbor. But you can't transport an invasion force through a submarine fleet.
Currently, the US Navy keeps a lot of countries safe.
Or it could just be you don't have anything worth invading over.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)England hasn't been invaded in 954 years. Of course, all we had at the time were bows and arrows and pikes and silly accents.
The weather seems to have helped defeat the Spanish and the Germans can't swim.
Marengo
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fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)Noland says we haven't been invaded because Americans have guns.
NONSENSE.
He must not have heard of the War of 1812 or how about the Mexican-American War.
In modern times, perhaps it's because the US spends 50 times more on our military than our any single adversary.
By the way, is there an a population center in Montana much less one armed?
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LAGC
(5,330 posts)Only other two over 50K are Missoula and Great Falls.
3rd least densely populated state in the union.