why does MSNBC continue to lie

[Duckhunter935]

Makes me so pissed off, they are supposed to be journalists and do not know or ignore basic facts.



Ron Allen reporting on the presidents executive actions stated gun shows and Internet sales do not require background checks and that is a majority of gun sales. What utter bullshit, now wonder people are so uninformed on the actual facts. And the knucklehead commentator just let that lie go without being corrected. News and facts my ass.

[gejohnston]

1. because MSNBC is really

the mirror image of Fox. Both are cable networks that pretend to be "news" but is really a collection of partisan hack pundits. If it weren't for dentist office waiting rooms, the ratings would probably be about the same.

[Duckhunter935]

2. lol

[deathrind]

3. Is this incorrect?

Is the following link just "its on the internet so it must be true bs" or is it correct?

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/gun-show-firearms-bankground-checks-state-laws-map.html

[Duckhunter935]

5. all firearms dealers

That is the majority at gun shows must perform a federal background check. ALL Internet sales that cross a state line must be shipped to an FFL and background check completed. All intrastate (within the srate) gun laws and background checks are regulated at the state level.

[deathrind]

11. So it is correct.

Thank you.

[Duckhunter935]

14. of course that is not what msnbc said

Nice try though

[Buzz Clik]

6. As far as background checks go, only the most liberal states require them at gun shows.

Looks like MSNBC nailed that part.

[Duckhunter935]

9. it is a state issue

Some states do require all sales you go through background checks.

[Duckhunter935]

10. but they did not get the facts correct

To bad they call themselves journalists

[Logical]

19. LOL, what other MSNBC stories bothered you? Let me guess. None? nt

[beevul]

20. As a gun owner, and a concealed carrier...

As a gun owner, and a concealed carrier, you're ok with media reporting untruths to the American people about guns?

Well, that explains a lot.

[Logical]

21. No just the fucking paranoia from gun owners.....

I have a CC license and are taking my daughter shooting today indoors! But i dont fucking obsess about gun rights or registering my guns or back ground checks.
You fucking "my cold dead hands" gun owners are crazy. Shit, no wonder people are scared of you.

[beevul]

22. The truth hurts, huh?

I said this:

As a gun owner, and a concealed carrier, you're ok with media reporting untruths to the American people about guns?

And you reply with this:

No just the fucking paranoia from gun owners.....

So you're not ok with media dishonesty. Awesome. Lets look at the many times in this thread that you've touched on that point, since that's what this thread is about. We'll start with this quote by you about media dishonesty...um...uh...one sec...Oh, my mistake, you haven't actually said ANYTHING about media dishonesty. In fact, looking over the entire thread again, all one can see is you attacking gun owners and gun rights supporters using anti-gun tactics, and giving the media a pass.

I have a CC license and are taking my daughter shooting today indoors!

Uh...yeah, sure. Sure you do. Sure you are. Whatever.

But i dont fucking obsess about gun rights or registering my guns or back ground checks.

No you don't. In fact, you don't seem to even care at all about gun rights. And when it comes to people who do? You do nothing but attack them...in the same ugly way, using the same ugly words, engaging the same ugly tactics, as the anti-gun assclowncar.

That's far more telling than any words you might choose to respond with, no matter what order you put them in, or how many times you sprinkle in words like 'paranoia' for added effect.

You fucking "my cold dead hands" gun owners are crazy.Shit, no wonder people are scared of you.

Another attempted diversion. Yawn. You really aren't very good at this. But credit given for using anti-gun talking points, and flinging unsubstantiated insinuations as is their SOP, and apparently yours.

[Logical]

23. What gun rights have I not cared about? You are really a joke.....

Please link to a post where I want to take peoples gun rights!

I have pointed out many times that mass shootings are unavoidable. No way to stop them.

But you people obsess about guns. Shit, it is many peoples here main focus on life.

The NRA is an arm of the GOP and you people act like they are not political.

Calling me a liar about my CC license is chicken shit. Just because I don't obsess like you people i guess I cannot be a real gun owner?

The government isn't going to steal your guns so fucking calm down!

Send me an IM so can have a more open discussion!

[beevul]

24. LOL.

What gun rights have I not cared about? You are really a joke.....

When caught attacking gun rights supporters in a thread about media dishonesty, and called on it, your response is to double down and attack another gun rights supporter?

You really are making my case for me.

Please link to a post where I want to take peoples gun rights!

And trying to dodge. Please link to a post where I claim you want to take peoples gun rights. Like I said, you really aren't very good at this.

I have pointed out many times that mass shootings are unavoidable. No way to stop them.

Irrelevant to the current discussion.

But you people obsess about guns. Shit, it is many peoples here main focus on life.

See, you're doing it again. "You people". "Obsess". "guns". Filthy insinuations, for which you have no real evidence to support, flung at gun rights supporters. Yet again. "Why", one might ask, would anyone do such a thing? The answer is obvious. 'Main focus' hot dish, with a dash of 'obsess' and a hint of 'guns', is a dish cooked only in anti-gun kitchens. And, the first post by you in this thread was an unprovoked, out of the blue attack on a pro-gun poster. Attacking pro-gun posters is, in fact, all you've done in this thread.

This is a discussion board. A political discussion board. Nobody here really believes that any ones 'main focus' can be divined by what people post about. And, more importantly, nobody here really believes that YOU believe it, either.

Put very plainly, what you're doing, is patently obvious. YOU are patently obvious.

The NRA is an arm of the GOP and you people act like they are not political.

"uh oh, I'm being seen through, I better say something about the nra..."

Calling me a liar about my CC license is chicken shit. Just because I don't obsess like you people i guess I cannot be a real gun owner?

A tell tale tell. You're agitated now because you've been called for your bullshit, but all you have left is the double down. Attacking another gun rights supporter. Yet again. Like I said, you're making my case for me.

Your words and your behavior are telling two different stories, 'friend'. I'd advise caution, but you're well past that point.

The government isn't going to steal your guns so fucking calm down!

And another double down. Attacking another gun rights supporter. Yet again.

Maybe if I count the number of times you've attacked a gun rights supporter in this thread, vs the number of times you commented on the actual thread topic (media dishonesty re:guns) and I paint a picture, that will clear this up for you?

Send me an IM so can have a more open discussion!

My god how Orwellian.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant. I'm happy to have this discussion right here, in the court of public view, though I can understand why you'd rather not.

Don't forget your sunblock.


P.S. My next question is:


Why mister concealed carry pro-gun, do you spend so much time in this thread attacking pro-gun posters, and so little time (zero time spend at this time) addressing the actual subject matter of the OP?

[Duckhunter935]

29. can't have an open discussion

On DU, he has to hide and IM,

[Logical]

31. LOL, your whole post makes no sense as usual. Most gun owners and fans are not paranoid and....

freaked out about gun control. They know there is no real threat. Why people like you think there is is a mystery. Reading too many NRA magazine covers I assume.

IM me. Seriously!

[Duckhunter935]

34. no post it the open

I am not scared but it seems like you are to say what you want in an open forum. You are great at producing insults directed at DU members, I do give you credit for that.

[beevul]

39. It makes perfect sense.

LOL, your whole post makes no sense as usual.

It makes perfect sense. If theres any 'as usual' about this, where making sense is an issue, its on your end. You're the only one that seems to be having comprehension issues. I guess I could ask in the subthread, and when I got a bunch of responses stating that I was communicating crystal clear, then you'd really feel dumb huh?

Most gun owners and fans are not paranoid and freaked out about gun control.They know there is no real threat.

That pertains to a discussion in which someone claims they are. Since that's not what this discussion is about, your point in stating it can only be to twist and dodge.

Why people like you think there is is a mystery.

Twist, dodge, and then try to make this about me. Sorry. Not having any.

Reading too many NRA magazine covers I assume.

You know what happens when you assume, right? Fortunately you only got it all over yourself. Yet another attack by you, on a pro-gun poster.

IM me. Seriously!

If you can't say it publicly, maybe you shouldn't say it at all.

Just a thought.

[Duckhunter935]

28. it is not paranoia to point out

Factual errors in reporting.

[Logical]

32. Like I said, your obsession with gun stories is funny. nt

[Duckhunter935]

33. good comeback

[DonP]

35. I'll ask you again ... What are you doing in the real world to support gun control?

As a person who claims to own guns and have a CC permit, but doesn't seem to tolerate anyone else who does, you must be active in gun control locally or nationally.

Try not to disappear this time. So ...

Any dues paying memberships to gun control organizations? (Hitting "Like" on Facebook doesn't count)

Which gun control organizations have they sent checks to in 2015? (There's a whole mailing list in Castle Bansalot)

How many days of vacation have they used to meet with legislators or march in protests in their state capitol or DC?

Which legislators have the met with to talk about repealing concealed or open carry and how often?

What have they done in their state to get Universal Background Checks?

Have they started circulating petitions to repeal concealed carry, the 2nd amendment or anything gun control related?

Count up the town hall or zoning board meetings they have gone to to speak out about a new shooting range or gun store?

C'mon impress us all with your hard core gun control support.

Or are you just another "online whiner" that types "FUCK THE NRA" a few times a year, calls people names, obsesses over penis size and runs away when asked a hard question or two?

[friendly_iconoclast]

40. I predict your questions will be avoided like Donald Trump avoids quiet, reasoned debate...

[DonP]

41. The louder and more emphatic the squawk - the less substance they offer

That's why I've started to ignore most of the more annoying posts.

Who cares what they say in some online thread, if they never actually do anything in the real world beyond screeching "Fuck the NRA" a few times a year.

No wonder they keep getting their ass handed to them in courts and most legislatures.

No grass roots and as soon as Bloomberg finally kicks and his kids start fighting over the family fortune and tie the Billions of $$$ up in court, that will probably be the functional end of the gun control movement.

You know all the gun control heroes aren't reaching for their checkbooks.

[Logical]

42. LOL, where did I say I supported gun control? I don't support the NRA or paranoid gun nuts.....

who believe Obama wants to take their guns. Or open carry idiots.

I imagine you are the type who believe the shit the NRA puts out.

And because you believe it you are really paranoid about losing gun rights.

Where did I say I wanted gun control?

Also, not that you will, but where did I say I did not support CC holders?

You make up a lot of shit I notice.

Paranoid gun owners are a minority but whine the most.

[DonP]

43. So you stand for nothing - we all pretty much got that

You claim you don't support gun control ... but then you trash gun owners every chance you get. So you are big zero with no real side to the discussion.

You love judging other people online and bad mouthing gun owners, both as a group and individually using your Junior College Tele-Psych Associates Degree, and that minor in creative writing. You've been called out on it by several other regular posters here.

Most importantly, you don't do anything in the real world to support either side of the discussion, so you're opinions are pretty much worth what you don't put into them. IOW Nada.

And please feel free to point out anything you and your Tarot cards know "I made up" at any point.

It's always funny to hear someone like you with your sad track record of posts here claiming everybody else is paranoid.

The good news is you don't count for anything in the discussion and the pathetic control side, which you suddenly disclaim, can't seem to get jack or shit done anyway.

More Good News! In spite of all the online whining, you're going to have to learn to live with more concealed carry holders every month (I turn out about 25 each month by myself), more open carry laws and more states with Constitutional carry laws every year or so.

All while violent crime keeps dropping.

[Logical]

45. Gun control is not calling out paranoid gun owner no more than.....

Calling out idiotic GOPers is trying to shut down the GOP!

If you are not a paranoid gun owner then you have nothing to complain about.

I have defended mass shootings as unstoppable many times and told dems that gun control is a losing cause.

But since I don't support all the gun owners and all the shit you want you accuse me of trying to control guns.

No middle ground for right wing nuts or gun nuts either.

[Duckhunter935]

44. paranoid lol

This whole thread was about a news organization not telling the truth on the air. Instead of talking about that all you have done is insult firearms owners that happen to be fellow DU members and most if not all support some reasonable gun control measures. You are scared to post in the open and beg in several of your posts to converse by IM. It would also be nice if you would answer the question as it does seem you are a controller and are against firearms ownership. I am sorry I just do not believe you own firearms and have a CCL. That is my right.

[Logical]

46. You can call me a liar all you want, but you are wrong......

I got my CC in Kansas and Utah at the same class when recepicity was not like it is now. I don't give a shit if you believe me.

What statement says I want to control guns? Link please!

I can show you plenty where I defend them!

Because I think the cold dead hands idiots are nuts does not mean I want to control guns.

You people really have no middle ground.

[Duckhunter935]

47. never called you a liar

Just stated I do not believe you.

Calm down, have a great night.

Imagine that, said it all in the open, did not have to ask for you to IM me.

[Logical]

50. Lol, saying what I stated was not true is calling me a liar, at least own up to it! Nt

[Duckhunter935]

51. I disagree, not the same at all

[Duckhunter935]

48. and you are the one to bring the cold dead hands nuts

Into this thread about news and unfactual information.

[Duckhunter935]

27. it is amazing some here

Are OK with the media not telling factual information to the public. In fact quite sickening in my opinion

[beevul]

30. It doesn't shock me anymore.

Although it does have its mildly amusing aspects:

"No, no, we aren't here flying cover for the anti-gun media, were just here attacking you because were pro-gun, and you're pro-gun, that's why these fights always happen..."

Or something...

[krispos42]

16. It's a different topic.

The linked article is about the location of the transaction, which is not what is legally relevant.

The issue is the buyer and the seller.

Federally-licenced dealers MUST conduct background checks REGARDLESS OF GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION.

Private sales do not, at least on the federal level. REGARDLESS OF GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION.

[Straw Man]

17. Correction.

Private sales do not, at least on the federal level. REGARDLESS OF GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION.

Not quite -- if the buyer and seller are not residents of the same state, then federal laws apply and a background check through an FFL must be performed. This is why all the gun auction sites provide lists of FFLs by geographical location.

[pkdu]

53. So the guys I saw selling firearms at the end of their driveway ( several in a crate , more than

one on an avenue on way to PHX from up north)

are breaking Federal Law...which local LOE is enforcing that shit ( happening all over the country)

[Duckhunter935]

54. did you call the ATF?

If not, you are part of the problem

[Straw Man]

56. Are they all residents of the same state?

Are any of them "prohibited persons"? Is the seller engaged in the "business of selling firearms" (soon to be more closely defined per executive order)?

All of these are pertinent questions.

[Wellstone ruled]

4. MSNBC is in big trouble and the they are

doing the Roger Ailes Model in a attempt to gain viewers. What a mistake,the Hate Population is only just so many and got a hunch it is shrinking. The Early PBS or CBS model would be a over whelming success if a so called Cable News Channel tried it. The Original Ted Turnner Model was pretty good until the consultants blew it up.

[Buzz Clik]

7. So, you're believing the OP? Wow.

[Duckhunter935]

8. yep true accurate

And comprehensive news would get viewership. These 2 minute repeated segments suck.

[Wellstone ruled]

13. The whole Economic Structure of the News Business

especially the electronic,is so loaded with debt. And the daily amount of money to do a truly unbiased News cost big bucks. With all the leverage in the Media Companies,do not see any changes coming anytime soon. Takes about five years to turn a profit as per our entertainment guru.

[beevul]

12. In order to get people lathered up in demand of something...

In order to get people lathered up in demand of something, it is required that people believe that the thing to be demanded is not currently in effect.

AKA 'the narrative'.


This is among the oldest of anti-gun tactics.

[Duckhunter935]

15. yep, they keep trying

That is why nothing changes as they are told lies and the new laws do nothing

[ileus]

18. They know the typical banner type, uninformed....if they still bite on the "guns kill people" lie

of course they're gonna eat up the "gun show loophole" BS.

[Eleanors38]

25. This is a standard issue MSM horse apple; as such, they won't let up...

and there are plenty more (esp. regarding the well-trained bullshit re:"assault weapons/assault rifles/assault-style rifles," etc.

MSM counts on no one calling their hand because, well, it IS mass media.

Oh, and more guns = more crime.

To paraphrase an attorney's reference as to the purpose of a courthouse, "Gun control is where MSM comes to lie."

[ladjf]

26. Greed mostly. nt

[doc03]

36. Gun shows do not require a background check for private sales,

license dealers yes, private sales no. You can by a gun off of any Tom Dick or Harry on the street or
or thru classified ads without checks. So what has you all lathered up anyway? I am also a concealed carry
holder. I think all gun sales should have to go thru a background check. I think the sale of the AR-15s and similar guns and magazines with a capacity of 8 or more should be illegal.

[Duckhunter935]

37. but he did not say those simple facts on the air

He categorically stated no background check a gun shows or Internet sales and that was a majority of firearms sales.

[doc03]

38. I don't know how many sales are made without background checks

but I am sure it is a significant percentage. The news networks (all of them) make untrue statements every day. I don't think in most cases it is intentional they just do sloppy work. Of course MSNBC and more so Fox have a political agenda.

[virginia mountainman]

49. If they did not lie, and misslead..

They would have no case, or support, and they KNOW it.

[Duckhunter935]

52. very true

and that is why when the President does the executive orders and nothing changes, they will have been swindled once again.

[fredamae]

55. There is no "News nor Journalists"

left out there in corpoworld.
That's why it frustrated me. For months I tuned in...with (at that point) no expectations of receiving news and learning anything..but rather "HOPE" there'd be News to learn something from.
When M$NBCorporateBS dumped Rev Al, Ed Schultz, Joy Reid etc? I dumped them and haven't been back.
Whatever scripted theatrics they air is of zero value to me and I think I "get it" now- direct "messaging" from corp, imo and I Won't hear it.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

57. When M$NBCorporateBS dumped Rev Al, Ed Schultz, Joy Reid....

That's when I gave up. I don't watch any political crap on TV anymore.

[pablo_marmol]

58. MSNBC continues to lie for a reason that The Controllers haven't figured out......

........and likely never will, since they can't handle the truth. Faux News can get away with lying to their viewers because they're telling lies that their viewers want to believe. MSNBC can get away with lying and misleading on the gun violence issue because they're telling lies that their viewers want to believe.

MSM owners - as members of the 1% - either don't care about the gun debate, OR WOULD ACTUALLY PREFER THAT ALL CITIZENS WERE DISARMED.

Isn't it interesting that gun restriction proponents haven't put this one together?! They recognize that MSNBC gave Cenk and Ed the boot because they were speaking truth to power, yet aren't curious in the least at why the PTB aren't trying to silence the "liberal" message on gun violence.

Blind ideology ---- surprisingly enough, it blinds!