Mon Dec 19, 2011, 08:13 PM

ellisonz (26,318 posts)

14-year-old boy dies after West Homestead shooting

By Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
Monday, December 19, 2011
Last updated: 6:44 pm

A 14-year-old boy who was shot in the back this afternoon in West Homestead died while undergoing surgery at a Pittsburgh hospital , according to the Allegheny County Medical Examiner's office.

Police Chief Christopher Deasy said officers responded to a call for multiple gunshots at around 2:40 p.m. and found the victim face down in the street.

The teenager, who was not identified, was conscious when he was transported by ambulance to UPMC Mercy, Uptown, authorities said. He died in the operating room at 4:22 p.m., according to the medical examiner's office.

Investigators found 15 shell casings and three guns near where the shooting took place at the intersection of Locust Way and Sarah Street.

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14-year-old boy dies after West Homestead shooting (Original post)	ellisonz	Dec 2011	OP
Since what you posted was the whole article, what was it that you wanted to discuss?	ManiacJoe	Dec 2011	#1
Where do you think the three guns came from?	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#2
Good questions.	rrneck	Dec 2011	#5
I KNEW you had some comments just waiting to be attached.	ManiacJoe	Dec 2011	#6
Would you care to consider any root causes?	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#9
I am game for considering. What are you offering?	ManiacJoe	Dec 2011	#12
Sure.	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#13
how about checking out some of the laws	gejohnston	Dec 2011	#14
If the police don't think you need a gun...	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#15
so you want the elitist system like NYC	gejohnston	Dec 2011	#17
"The police are inherently authoritarian and right wing. They should have no arbitrary power."	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#18
you lost credibility when	gejohnston	Dec 2011	#21
Bahahaha...	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#23
I have respect for cops	gejohnston	Dec 2011	#36
They already do...	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#38
Well, you implied deference to the police, after all. nt	SteveW	Dec 2011	#75
Sure -- let's just give the police the right of refusal on ALL our rights.	Straw Man	Dec 2011	#20
I'm a Liberal. What are you?	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#22
Yet you want to give the police the final say in my civil liberties? That's a liberal position? nt	hack89	Dec 2011	#27
...	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#30
So why do so many liberals here at DU disagree with you about gun control?	hack89	Dec 2011	#33
I'm not restricting your rights.	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#37
No - you are restricting my rights	hack89	Dec 2011	#42
not really	gejohnston	Dec 2011	#43
Gun-control is NOT liberal, it is recent pop politics...	SteveW	Dec 2011	#76
...	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#82
Why not? Is there something untrue about it?	We_Have_A_Problem	Dec 2011	#85
don't know much about history do you?	gejohnston	Dec 2011	#93
I'm not an expert on gun law history.	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#94
No kidding....	We_Have_A_Problem	Dec 2011	#99
But at least I know about child safety seats...	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#100
I do too.	We_Have_A_Problem	Dec 2011	#106
yea, you're still in one	one-eyed fat man	Dec 2011	#143
Nothing left but personal attacks...	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#145
Having only a superficial knowledge of the gun restriction issue (at best)	Simo 1939_1940	Dec 2011	#170
Check-mated again, eh?	SteveW	Dec 2011	#142
No.	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#146
Fact is,	We_Have_A_Problem	Dec 2011	#148
Yet another cartoon ripe for NRA royalty payments...	SteveW	Dec 2011	#173
For the most part people didn't own dozens of guns...	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#174
Yet ANOTHER NRA royalty check! Well, that's one way to defund the NRA...	SteveW	Dec 2011	#175
"Gun control is a liberal position"	Simo 1939_1940	Dec 2011	#171
I'm a left-libertarian and a registered Democrat.	Straw Man	Dec 2011	#32
It's already up to the whims of the police...	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#34
Wild Wild West = historically low rates of gun violence? Really. nt	hack89	Dec 2011	#39
If you get rid of the current gun controls...yes. n/t	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#41
So lets leave things exactly the way they are.	hack89	Dec 2011	#44
Or we could make them better! n/t	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#47
Why tilt at windmills? There are more important and easier things to do. nt	hack89	Dec 2011	#54
Why accept this level of gun violence? n/t	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#62
The problem is not the guns	We_Have_A_Problem	Dec 2011	#63
We have the technology. n/t	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#65
What technology do you believe we have?	We_Have_A_Problem	Dec 2011	#67
Then you're in willful denial.	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#69
Excuse me?	We_Have_A_Problem	Dec 2011	#77
Hope you never need the police...	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#80
Whether or not i need them is irrelevant	We_Have_A_Problem	Dec 2011	#90
The police have neither the ability nor obligation to protect citizens.	Fair Witness	Dec 2011	#110
They have the obligation to uphold the law - to protect and serve.	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#118
The police have no obligation to protect you, unless you are in their custody. n/t	oneshooter	Dec 2011	#126
That's not true - they have an obligation to public safety.	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#127
Nope - they dont	We_Have_A_Problem	Dec 2011	#134
I do live more or less in the "boonies"...as do millions of Americans. I hope you are not	Fair Witness	Dec 2011	#147
I'm suggesting you consider others rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#153
They are considered	We_Have_A_Problem	Dec 2011	#156
Your knowledge of civics is abysmal. "...life, liberty and the pursuit..." is from the Declaration	Fair Witness	Dec 2011	#158
But he feels so strongly....	We_Have_A_Problem	Dec 2011	#160
The Nineth Amendment is quite clear...	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#162
I wrote reports on crimes that had already been committed. This was a semi-major urban city.	Fair Witness	Dec 2011	#163
"As to where criminals get their guns, how is that germane to the discussion?"	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#168
But you do have an "UNprogressive agenda"- you support the Patriot Act.	friendly_iconoclast	Dec 2011	#165
You can debate with these Democrats who voted for the extension...	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#167
I am debating with you, and I stand with Bernie Sanders and these Dems in opposition:	friendly_iconoclast	Dec 2011	#169
Every years it declines further - you have never been safer	hack89	Dec 2011	#70
Reducing the supply of illegal guns through common sense measures would go a long way.	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#71
Why not? It is a public health issue - lets take the criminality out of it	hack89	Dec 2011	#72
"Of course drug rehab will be offered free to all that want it"	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#78
If you want to buy me a gun safe go ahead.	hack89	Dec 2011	#87
Several of the other posters here have them...	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#92
They are locked up - just angling for a bigger safe so I can grow my collection. nt	hack89	Dec 2011	#96
Good.	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#97
Storage requirements not a problem providing they don't interfere with home defense.	hack89	Dec 2011	#98
Requiring it?	We_Have_A_Problem	Dec 2011	#103
I'll pass on the trigger locks - at least for my self defense gun. nt	hack89	Dec 2011	#89
Since this decline coincides with a general relaxing of gun control laws	hack89	Dec 2011	#73
the wild wild west	gejohnston	Dec 2011	#46
Wasn't that a T.V. show? nt	SteveW	Dec 2011	#79
One of my favorites. nt	hack89	Dec 2011	#88
Yeah it	gejohnston	Dec 2011	#95
Yeah, I saw the series frequently -- quite a jump-the-shark fantasy...	SteveW	Dec 2011	#139
Police are the biggest threat to your civil liberities	hack89	Dec 2011	#26
Wrong.	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#28
They are militarized because of the war on drugs	hack89	Dec 2011	#29
They're militarized because the war on drugs coincides with a massive...	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#31
As long as the police have no discretion I have no problem with a background check	hack89	Dec 2011	#35
No, that's the courts determining that right, via due process	friendly_iconoclast	Dec 2011	#40
Fundamental misconception...	Straw Man	Dec 2011	#45
...	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#48
being arrested for	gejohnston	Dec 2011	#49
Do you really not get it?	Straw Man	Dec 2011	#50
Umm, please re-take 10th grade civics.	X_Digger	Dec 2011	#52
The police decide who gets arrested and then charged in the first place.	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#84
The police do not always decide who gets arrested.	We_Have_A_Problem	Dec 2011	#91
I have a reality based view of the police force.	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#114
Does not appear that you do but whatever.	We_Have_A_Problem	Dec 2011	#135
You've never been in a warrant court, have you?	X_Digger	Dec 2011	#109
No, the police only arrest. The DA charges.	PavePusher	Dec 2011	#113
They go to court	We_Have_A_Problem	Dec 2011	#57
The police perform arrestd based on either witnessing a crime, having a warrant or	Fair Witness	Dec 2011	#111
Funny how prohibition works...	SteveW	Dec 2011	#81
If the police don't think you need to vote? If the police don't think you need to demonstrate?	X_Digger	Dec 2011	#51
They are responsible for public safety.	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#53
The Patriot Act was to ensure public safety	hack89	Dec 2011	#56
Yes. Next question.	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#117
So you support the Patriot Act? That explains a lot. nt	hack89	Dec 2011	#120
So does the President, Congress and the Courts...	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#123
No unlimited right to privacy?	hack89	Dec 2011	#124
Don't answer my question.	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#125
No - of course not. nt	hack89	Dec 2011	#130
Then please denounce the idea that...	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#131
So the Scalia of his day has the final word? Burger was a conservative Republican.	hack89	Dec 2011	#132
The ends justify any means, for some...	friendly_iconoclast	Dec 2011	#133
You are the first liberal	gejohnston	Dec 2011	#164
I'm not saying that at all.	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#166
That's why he was so offended by	one-eyed fat man	Dec 2011	#144
No, actually they arent.	We_Have_A_Problem	Dec 2011	#58
I can understant why you wouldn't want discuss the other civil liberties protected under the BoR.	aikoaiko	Dec 2011	#61
The whats the opposite?	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#116
the opposite of arbitary rules is rationale rules	aikoaiko	Dec 2011	#121
That's not an answer. Care to take another swing? n/t	X_Digger	Dec 2011	#108
And we come to the police state.	PavePusher	Dec 2011	#55
In general, the police are not qualified to make mental health judgments....	aikoaiko	Dec 2011	#60
What about a police psychologist?	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#66
Do rank-and-file police like to use their own psychologists?	SteveW	Dec 2011	#83
They could rotate departments...	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#86
There are plenty people who consider liberals to be "mentally ill", per se.	Fair Witness	Dec 2011	#112
And most of them agree with the shared opinion of the pro-gun crowd in this forum...	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#115
My answer is in the law: If one is adjudicated mentally incompetent, no. nt	SteveW	Dec 2011	#136
Do you care about the victims of gun violence enough to want to do something real about it? n/t	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#104
Not at the expense of my rights	We_Have_A_Problem	Dec 2011	#107
"to make a victim feel better?"	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#119
My answer is in the law: If one is adjudicated mentally incompetent, no.	SteveW	Dec 2011	#137
So basically you're for leaving a loophole Jared Lee Loughner could drive a truck through?	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#155
No loophole at all. Just a relative of "unfunded mandates..."	SteveW	Dec 2011	#172
Any forensic clinical psychologist could, but there aren't many of them	aikoaiko	Dec 2011	#101
So why not have a real net. Clearly, people are getting through the way its currently designed.	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#102
Some are, but the safety net I'm talking about is not just about gun possession.	aikoaiko	Dec 2011	#105
I disagree with none of what you said there.	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#151
By the way, how would you suggest to accomplish "free Tibet" without armed force?	Fair Witness	Dec 2011	#149
I'll nibble.	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#150
The Brits were being gentlemen	We_Have_A_Problem	Dec 2011	#152
Again, stop butting in on other peoples discussion.	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#154
Does it bother you?	We_Have_A_Problem	Dec 2011	#157
Are you fucking serious?	Fair Witness	Dec 2011	#159
Does he speak for you?	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#161
I don't defer to the police when it comes to my rights...	SteveW	Dec 2011	#74
Just to bring you up to date a little	Starboard Tack	Dec 2011	#64
Newspapers, blogs and their websites are secondary sources, try the primary source o get up to date.	russ1943	Dec 2011	#122
Thank you sir for your diligent research	Starboard Tack	Dec 2011	#129
I am glad they are improving	gejohnston	Dec 2011	#128
Hey! I think I figured it out!	rrneck	Dec 2011	#138
Good idea, but unfortunately it wouldn't work	Starboard Tack	Dec 2011	#140
Of course by the same token	rrneck	Dec 2011	#141
An engaging set of ideas.	ManiacJoe	Dec 2011	#16
Thank you.	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#19
"common sense measures"	Atypical Liberal	Dec 2011	#176
Make it illegal to steal other people's stuff? nt	Remmah2	Dec 2011	#24
Lock up your guns? n/t	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#25
And, do you have a point or	rl6214	Dec 2011	#3
See post #2.	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#4
This message was hidden by jury decision.	rl6214	Dec 2011	#7
WWM2kD? hidden criminals, gun show loophole, private sale, stolen guns.	ileus	Dec 2011	#8
Need a translation: WWM2kD	ManiacJoe	Dec 2011	#11
Its a play on WWJD...	We_Have_A_Problem	Dec 2011	#59
Yah, the M2k part had me confused.	ManiacJoe	Dec 2011	#68
sounds like a business dispute	gejohnston	Dec 2011	#10

Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 08:24 PM

ManiacJoe (5,579 posts)

14-year-old boy dies after West Homestead shooting

1. Since what you posted was the whole article, what was it that you wanted to discuss?

2. Where do you think the three guns came from?

5. Good questions.

6. I KNEW you had some comments just waiting to be attached.

9. Would you care to consider any root causes?

12. I am game for considering. What are you offering?

13. Sure.

14. how about checking out some of the laws

15. If the police don't think you need a gun...

17. so you want the elitist system like NYC

18. "The police are inherently authoritarian and right wing. They should have no arbitrary power."

21. you lost credibility when

23. Bahahaha...

36. I have respect for cops

38. They already do...

75. Well, you implied deference to the police, after all. nt

20. Sure -- let's just give the police the right of refusal on ALL our rights.

22. I'm a Liberal. What are you?

27. Yet you want to give the police the final say in my civil liberties? That's a liberal position? nt

30. ...

33. So why do so many liberals here at DU disagree with you about gun control?

37. I'm not restricting your rights.

42. No - you are restricting my rights

43. not really

76. Gun-control is NOT liberal, it is recent pop politics...

82. ...

85. Why not? Is there something untrue about it?

93. don't know much about history do you?

94. I'm not an expert on gun law history.

99. No kidding....

100. But at least I know about child safety seats...

106. I do too.

143. yea, you're still in one

145. Nothing left but personal attacks...

170. Having only a superficial knowledge of the gun restriction issue (at *best*)

142. Check-mated again, eh?

146. No.

148. Fact is,

173. Yet another cartoon ripe for NRA royalty payments...

174. For the most part people didn't own dozens of guns...

175. Yet ANOTHER NRA royalty check! Well, that's one way to defund the NRA...

171. "Gun control is a liberal position"

32. I'm a left-libertarian and a registered Democrat.

34. It's already up to the whims of the police...

39. Wild Wild West = historically low rates of gun violence? Really. nt

41. If you get rid of the current gun controls...yes. n/t

44. So lets leave things exactly the way they are.

47. Or we could make them better! n/t

54. Why tilt at windmills? There are more important and easier things to do. nt

62. Why accept this level of gun violence? n/t

63. The problem is not the guns

65. We have the technology. n/t

67. What technology do you believe we have?

69. Then you're in willful denial.

77. Excuse me?

80. Hope you never need the police...

90. Whether or not i need them is irrelevant

110. The police have neither the ability nor obligation to protect citizens.

118. They have the obligation to uphold the law - to protect and serve.

126. The police have no obligation to protect you, unless you are in their custody. n/t

127. That's not true - they have an obligation to public safety.

134. Nope - they dont

147. I do live more or less in the "boonies"...as do millions of Americans. I hope you are not

153. I'm suggesting you consider others rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...

156. They are considered

158. Your knowledge of civics is abysmal. "...life, liberty and the pursuit..." is from the Declaration

160. But he feels so strongly....

162. The Nineth Amendment is quite clear...

163. I wrote reports on crimes that had already been committed. This was a semi-major urban city.

168. "As to where criminals get their guns, how is that germane to the discussion?"

165. But you *do* have an "UNprogressive agenda"- you support the Patriot Act.

167. You can debate with these Democrats who voted for the extension...

169. I am debating with *you*, and I stand with Bernie Sanders and these Dems in opposition:

70. Every years it declines further - you have never been safer

71. Reducing the supply of illegal guns through common sense measures would go a long way.

72. Why not? It is a public health issue - lets take the criminality out of it

78. "Of course drug rehab will be offered free to all that want it"

87. If you want to buy me a gun safe go ahead.

92. Several of the other posters here have them...

170. Having only a superficial knowledge of the gun restriction issue (at best)

165. But you do have an "UNprogressive agenda"- you support the Patriot Act.

169. I am debating with you, and I stand with Bernie Sanders and these Dems in opposition:

40. No, that's the courts determining that right, via due process