13-year-old kills self after fatally shooting brother, 6, injuring another

[Electric Monk]

HUDSON, Fla. — A 13-year-old boy shot and killed his 6-year-old brother, wounded his 16-year-old brother and then fatally turned the gun on himself after an argument over food, according to the Pasco County Sheriff's Office.

"A 6-year-old that was probably playing in his room, an argument over food and he lost his life," Pasco County Sheriff Chris Nocco said.

The shooting happened shortly after 6 p.m. Wednesday in Hudson at the Sugar Lane community in suburban Pasco County, about an hour north of downtown Tampa.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/cops-pasco-county-13-year-old-kills-brother-6-woun/nkfbt/

Another day, another tragic and totally avoidable loss of life.

[In_The_Wind]

1. Very sad.

[brush]

2. Sorry, but the parents need to be charged

Who leaves three boys alone in the house with an easily accessible handgun around?

The family would have been better off without a gun in the house.

[Electric Monk]

3. I totally agree with your post. nt

[GGJohn]

5. Agreed, any adult who leaves a firearm accessible to a child

should be charged with???????????????

[Electric Monk]

7. Negligent homicide seems appropriate

I'm not sure what the statutes are in Florida regarding that, though. Being Florida, they're probably pretty lenient (not liberal, lenient) when it comes to guns

[GGJohn]

10. Negligent homicide would be a good charge

with a stiff prison sentence and life time loss of your 2A right.

[samsingh]

24. i think losing the two kids is pretty devastating

but if charges will let gun lovers and the nra feel like they are responsible...

[GGJohn]

4. And yet 99.9% of firearms in this country weren't used in any

criminal or negligent way.

While this incident is tragic, it in no way represents the vast majority of firearms owners.

[Electric Monk]

6. and 99.9% of commercial flights aren't hijacked, but we have really strict regulations

on who can fly and what they can or cannot carry onboard.

[GGJohn]

8. Not relevent, taking a commercial flight isn't an enumerated right,

RKBA is.
So, again, 99.9% of firearms aren't used in a criminal or negligent manner.

[Sarcastica]

11. Constitutions are often amended.

The time will come.

[GGJohn]

14. Yeah, right.

Don't hold your breath waiting for it.

[Sarcastica]

15. In the 1980's the reich wing gave us "just say no" no tolerance and they promoted hatred for LGBT.

Today pot is becoming legal state by state, and the Supreme Court is on the way to recognizing gay marriage nationwide.

We work, day by day to bring change.

[GGJohn]

17. None of those are enumerated rights, although gay marriage should be.

Remember what happened in 1994 with the Crime Omnibus Bill?
You think any smart politician is going to go along with a Constitutional Convention?
How many states do you think would ratify a change or repeal of the 2A?
Considering it takes only 13 states to scuttle any change to the Constitution, how do you see any change in the 2A?

Nope, won't happen and I say that in full confidence.

[Sarcastica]

18. sleep well

[GGJohn]

19. Oh I do, owning and working a ranch/farm will do that for one's self.

Especially now that it's planting season and the livestock are getting "frisky".

[samsingh]

26. they do. no amount of tragedy will change the minds of gun lovers and the nra

stats are made up
insults are thrown around
victim complexes are invoked
requests for calm when talking about victims and then hysteria when there is any threat to any gun type of gun access

and when all is exhausted, the twisted language used to justify an incorrect interpretation of the 2a is invoked, and supported by the same supreme court morons that think corporations are people, followed by threats that all elections will be lost if anyone tries to be rational about gun proliferation, followed by more name calling (while saying they are being called names).

[immoderate]

29. That which is enumerated can be UN-ENUMERATED!

--imm

[GGJohn]

30. Yeah?

Good luck with that.
The 2A will never be repealed or changed, deal with it.

[Sarcastica]

35. You're right. You should do nothing at all.

[DonP]

38. "Nothing at all" Wow. What an incredible coincidence!

That's exactly the strategy the gun control folks here are using.

Well, besides snide comments now and then and occasional whining about a hidden post.

So, share with us your real world activities to support your belief that the 2nd needs to be repealed.

Start the petitions for repeal of one of the original Bill of Rights amendments yet? How about getting out the checkbook and joining a gun control group? Maybe attending and speaking out at a local town hall or zoning meeting about a new gun range or gun store in your area?

How about at least sharing a few of your letters to the editor about the need to repeal concealed carry in your state?

Certainly someone with your deeply felt beliefs must be active in making it happen, right?

Or are you another keyboard commando on gun control?

[NaturalHigh]

40. Well he banned me from his "group."

That counts as doing something, right?


In my defense, I swear I didn't mean to post in there. I just clicked on the wrong group and saw a thread he had started. I had hoped to save my one post in there for something more memorable.

[DonP]

41. Now he's lecturing Skinner in his thread on how to run his website.

That never goes over well. But Skinner has learned to ignore whiners over the years.

And now, TaDa!, I'm "the worst right wing gun troll in the Gungeon" with a list of some recent posts.

None of which have been hidden. See, anything that doesn't agree with him must, by definition, be a "Right Wing Post".

I wonder if I get a T-Shirt for that? I'd wear that to the range.

Plus, he called me an "lying asshole" again. Wow, somebody has a very thin skin (that's easy to get under), not to mention an obsession can't seem to learn his lesson.

Also a big flurry of posts from him, I guess he needs to prove his "safe haven" is still relevant and popular after some folks made fun of it. "We're really the cool kids, really we are ..."

[Electric Monk]

42. Jury results, for the post you're talking about. Were you the alerter?

On Fri Mar 27, 2015, 04:39 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I should have said "lying asshole, and the worst right wing gun troll in the gungeon".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1262&pid=8599

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calls a DU member a "Lying Asshole and Right Wing Troll" in response to a correction by a DU Admin? Can't seem to learn a simple lesson about basic civility when you don't agree with someone.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 27, 2015, 04:52 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Agree with EM. Obvious troll is obvious. Among other things.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Too much tolerance of right wing trolls here...sometimes you have to call an asshole an asshole.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: That would probably be because some of those gungeon folk are lying assholes and right-wing trolls. We have evidence for it from some gun fetishist site where they talk about how they troll this site despise hating liberals. How does the gungeon react? They aren't bothered at all. What pisses them off is that liberals talk about it. That is evidence the entire group is a troll infestation.

[NaturalHigh]

43. No, I didn't alert on that.

I assumed somebody already had.

[DonP]

50. No, but I saw the post, pretty rude to give Skinner a rhetorical finger like you did.

But we're all looking forward to your analysis of which specific right wing troll tropes I was using in your cut and paste Fiesta.

Then you can explain why, if my posts are all "right wing troll" material, no one bothered to alert and hide them?

Or maybe because you're just a little too full of yourself?

[NaturalHigh]

44. You're "the worst right wing gun troll in the Gungeon"?

Congratulations! Is there some sort of "gungeoneer" party we're all invited to?

[Duckhunter935]

46. I thought I had that title

Bjorn Against
That group is filled with right-wing trolls, don't let them get to you
There is one in particular that I have noticed loves to harrass the hosts of this group every chance he gets, he loves to lecture about politeness while being completely oblivious to the fact that his constant harassment is anything but polite. I have seen him jump on you multiple times over an alert he had against himself, and he constantly harrassed Secular Motion demanding he "discuss" with people who clearly just wanted to tear him down.

Why the admins allow people like this to harrass good standing members of this site like he does I will never understand, there are several people in that group who should have gotten the boot long ago.

Asking a person to answer a question is harassment now?
Simple fix, answer the fricking question
So is asking a host to follow the group SOP?
Simple fix, Follow the frickin SOP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12628570#post21

[beevul]

49. A term comes to mind...

"Delicate Flower"


And really, the morale of the story is:

Don't be a hypocrite and you wont be taken to task and savaged for being one.

[Duckhunter935]

48. that is probably

the most active thread for a very long time in that group. Whining about a hide and challenging Skinner on how to run his site.

[darkangel218]

51. Wear it as a badge of honour.

[oneshooter]

53. Right next to your banishment medal from CastleBansaLot.

[NaturalHigh]

57. I think it's his way of telling us to get off his lawn.

[NaturalHigh]

54. I actually bragged about it to my wife last night.

Good times.

[Cha]

33. Good point and it is "relevant".

[samsingh]

36. good point. Most people aren't criminals - we still have prisons.

[samsingh]

25. great and accurate stat - i can make them up too

[Sarcastica]

9. Wow. A 13 year old 2nd Amendment activist. Do they have a Junior NRA?

Guns are so cool.

[sarisataka]

12. Your pause to acknowledge the victims

in your rush to make a hyperbolic point is duly noted

{just to be clear}

[samsingh]

22. disgusting gun lovers in the nra

[GGJohn]

28. If gun owners are so disgusting,

then what the fuck are you doing here posting your crap?

[samsingh]

37. i wasn't referring to the gun lovers in this forum - but the extreme ones in the nra.

[hollysmom]

13. before the rush to judgement, there seems to be a question of where the gun came from

if from the parents and not locked in a gun safe, bad parents, if the kid found it - bad world.

[Sarcastica]

16. Irresponsible gun owners.

Redundancy.

[samsingh]

23. you are right

[samsingh]

21. 2 kids killed - i don't think we should downplay that to appease the nra's thirst for blood

[NaturalHigh]

45. I don't think we should ever make light of someone's death.

Nor do I think anyone should use those deaths as political props.

[samsingh]

56. trying to eliminate gun violence because of the nra's bullshit is not a political prop

just like Obamacare getting uninsured medical treatment is not a political prop. Ditto for climate change.

repugs tend to make everything a political prop.

[samsingh]

20. don't forget the easy access to guns. thank the nra.

[NBachers]

30. Somehow, I just started thinking of the the Seal Beach mass shooting ...

http://patch.com/california/losalamitos/update-6-dead-in-seal-beach-salon-slaying-custody-figecdc46ca07



http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2011/10/scott_evans_dekraai_tea_party.php

[ManiacJoe]

32. Proper secured storage is a good thing.

[ileus]

34. Either keep PSDs on your person or locked up...that's simple.

[NaturalHigh]

39. Hey EM...sorry, I didn't mean to post in your little haven.

I clicked on the wrong group and ended up in there. Don't worry, though. I got my ban e-mail from you.

It was time for my ban hammer anyway.

[Duckhunter935]

47. Glad to see you join the club

From #9

[NaturalHigh]

55. Thanks. I was just hoping to save it for something epic.

I guess that's really not necessary since they spend most of their time over here trolling our group.

[DashOneBravo]

52. EM

Anybody who leaves a weapon unsecured needs to be punished.