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Eugene

(61,858 posts)
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 10:21 PM Feb 2015

Texas senator (Cornyn) proposes bill to allow concealed weapons nationwide

Source: The Guardian

Texas senator proposes bill to allow concealed weapons nationwide

NRA-backed ‘reciprocity’ legislation would require a state to honor permits
issued by other states as gun safety advocates say it is ‘irresponsible’


Lauren Gambino in New York
Thursday 12 February 2015 22.31 GMT

A US senator from Texas wants to enable Americans to travel across state lines with their concealed weapons.

The Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act, introduced this week by US Senator John Cornyn, would allow concealed weapons permits issued in one state to be recognized in any state.

The nation’s largest gun rights group cheered the legislation, saying it would “respect the rights” of gun owners.

“The current patchwork of state and local laws is confusing for even the most conscientious and well-informed concealed carry permit holders,” Chris W Cox, executive director of the NRA-ILA, the group’s lobbying branch, said in a statement.

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Texas senator (Cornyn) proposes bill to allow concealed weapons nationwide (Original Post) Eugene Feb 2015 OP
As usual States' rights only matter if it's a Repub cause Moliere Feb 2015 #1
not so much duplicitous as it is gejohnston Feb 2015 #3
That too. They're still liars. Moliere Feb 2015 #5
You clearly don't read much on the subject here at DU Shamash Feb 2015 #6
Gun controller love state's right hack89 Feb 2015 #8
I think its unconstitutional. gejohnston Feb 2015 #2
I accept your 10A argument in principle however, for the sake of argument -- Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #4
That is an interesting point. If carrying a firearm in general is determined to be petronius Feb 2015 #10
Why is it not already required by Article 5 Section 1 ManiacJoe Feb 2015 #7
"Gun safety advocates" = Gun control extremists Lurks Often Feb 2015 #9
My live is valuable no matter where I may roam. ileus Feb 2015 #11
 

Shamash

(597 posts)
6. You clearly don't read much on the subject here at DU
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 10:48 PM
Feb 2015

When it comes to gun control, we have a bunch of DU'ers who champion states' rights, local rights, homeowner association rights, any rights for anyone you can think of as long as they mean less rights for gun owners. See here, here and here on just one such case.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
8. Gun controller love state's right
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 07:50 AM
Feb 2015

as long as the state's are passing strict gun control. We see it here every day

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
2. I think its unconstitutional.
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 10:34 PM
Feb 2015

and would be struck down as violating the 10A.
There is no such federal law covering drivers licenses or professional licences.
Calling it "irresponsible" is absurd since CCW holders are statistically safer and more responsible than cops.
I don't see the concept as a bad thing, but why should Texas, with its stringent training standards, have to accept New York permits whose only standards are having political connections or being rich? New York can't even keep current records. When NYC CCW holders were made public last year, Eleanor Roosevelt's carry permit was still listed as current even though she died in 1962.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
4. I accept your 10A argument in principle however, for the sake of argument --
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 10:43 PM
Feb 2015

Driver and professional licenses aren't guaranteed rights within the Constitution whereas the RKBA is. Obviously you know the arguments for/against reciprocity but why should State A be allowed to prosecute someone who is legally valid to carry from State B?

petronius

(26,602 posts)
10. That is an interesting point. If carrying a firearm in general is determined to be
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 07:48 PM
Feb 2015

protected by 2A, as courts seem to be leaning, then it does seem like the exercise of a constitutionally-protected civil liberty should not be contingent on remaining within one's home state.

Perhaps the proper balance would be to allow states to issue license as they see fit and to the standards the deem suitable, but exclude place of residence as a criteria. I.e., require states to issue out-of-state permits to non-residents with the same standards as in state...

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
9. "Gun safety advocates" = Gun control extremists
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 09:42 AM
Feb 2015

I don't see how people with no first hand knowledge of how a firearm works can be considered "gun safety advocates".

As to the bill itself, it will pass the House and maybe the Senate. Whether it gets vetoed or not depends on what they attach it to when they send it to the President.

That's how the law allowing the carrying of firearms in Federal parks got passed, they attached to a credit card bill that the President really wanted passed.

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