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MichaelHarris

(10,017 posts)
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 05:20 PM Sep 2014

So guns in school, let's see how that's working out early in the school year

So Utah has decided to allow teachers to carry guns into elementary schools, lets see how that new law is working out:

"Teacher accidentally shoots herself in leg with concealed weapon at school"

Not a very good start I guess. Concealed weapon carry person, well trained, great citizen, guns arounds kids and all.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/teacher-at-westbrook-elementary-school-1.9290272

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So guns in school, let's see how that's working out early in the school year (Original Post) MichaelHarris Sep 2014 OP
I don't have a problem with teachers carrying, but they had better have been trained. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #1
Apply to ED Classrooms too? HockeyMom Sep 2014 #3
Every classroom is different. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #4
From the link: TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #2
Glock leg... ileus Sep 2014 #5
Negligent discharge steelsmith Sep 2014 #6
Texas reporting in: No gun accidents in the newz. Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #7
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. I don't have a problem with teachers carrying, but they had better have been trained.
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 05:27 PM
Sep 2014

The school needs to adjust their policy to require that no rounds can be chambered or the magazine must be kept separate or, etc., etc.

Because if safe handling and carrying procedures were being followed, this discharge could not have happened.

They should also get some regular practice.

Because, as printed in the article: "teachers can act faster than law enforcement in the first few minutes of any attack at a school."

Ain't that a fact?!

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
3. Apply to ED Classrooms too?
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 06:48 PM
Sep 2014

I worked in one with pre-teen boys who had criminal records. All "potential weapons" had to be locked up. One TA forgot to put her PEN away and was stabbed with it by a student. Imagine if he had found a gun, or for that matter even a sharp scissors? She would have been dead.

Humans make mistakes. In the case of guns, it only takes ONE mistake to make the difference between life or death.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
4. Every classroom is different.
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 06:56 PM
Sep 2014

I taught in a juvenile hall for four years and we had to count pencils. It was a low risk unit so they could have scissors.

No way would I want teaching staff carrying under those circumstances.

What I should have written is that, under certain circumstances, I don't have a problem.

IOW, I would not support an arbitrary general ban, but I would required admin input and a number of conditions that would prevent mishaps.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
2. From the link:
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 05:34 PM
Sep 2014

Some people are surprised to learn about Utah's law and ask why teachers are allowed to have guns, he said.
"That's frankly not a question we can answer," Horsley said. "That is a question for the state legislature."
"This is exactly what we are working against," said Miriam Walkingshaw, co-founder of Utah Parents Against Gun Violence, which is opposed to guns in schools.
The risk of having any guns near children is greater than any risk teachers hope to prevent, she said.


So, we're guessing she shot herself while taking a pee (feel free to comment) and no children will ever be around when she does that so there's no possibility, ever, that a child could be accidentally shot.

None-- no child will ever be shot accidentally by a carrying teacher.


Ever.
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