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Man killed in road rage shooting in Colerain Township
COLERAIN TOWNSHIP, OH (FOX19) -
Colerain Police believe it started here somewhere along Colerain Avenue. 20-year-old Anthony Griffin had some type of altercation with another driver 26-year-old Jeremy Hardman.
Police say Hardman then followed Griffin to his girlfriend's home in the 3200 block of Niagara Avenue.
Mike Harris says he watched it all happen right here in his front yard. His sister's boyfriend, the father of her unborn son, Anthony Griffin shot and killed by a stranger.
"Over something so freaking stupid. I was just trying to get everyone to calm down. Tried to just deescalate it. No one really thought that would happen," said Harris.
Harris says Griffin pulled up to his house just before 1 a.m. Griffin's two sisters were in the car and an angry driver was hot on his heels.
"Evidently, the guy had pulled up. They had words. Then, he turned around and came back and they had words again and on and on it seemed to go. Nobody wanted to let it go," said James Love, Public Information Officer for the Colerain Police Department.
That is when Love says 26-year-old Jeremy Hardman pulled a gun and shot Griffin from his car. Right now, police say there are no indications the two knew each other and no indications of any crime.
http://www.fox19.com/story/26355918/man-arrested-in-fatal-road-rage-shooting-in-colerain-township
Defend that gun nutters. This is exactly what I am afraid of every time I get in the car, some gun nutjob gets upset because he thought I looked at him the wrong way or didn't let him cut me off on the freeway.
loudsue
(14,087 posts)samsingh
(17,571 posts)and you claim to be scared.
100% foolproof if the victim is black.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)What killed him was Jeremy Hardman.
If you blame the gun, it's like letting the killer off the hook.
The dude could have chosen to mow down Griffin with his car or done any number of other violent things to him.
liberal N proud
(60,300 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)liberal N proud
(60,300 posts)It said Hardeman killed with a gun!
This is what is wrong with the gun nut forum, you can't have an honest debate without the NRA illogical talking points being thrown around.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)is the "gun nut" forum. Nice to be able to have a civil conversation with a person who starts with that nice polite dialog.
liberal N proud
(60,300 posts)No you can't have a civil discussion opposing guns in the gun nut forum!
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)but the incivility you mention more often is on the anti-RKBA side on the issue.
I find it very hard to be polite and have a civil discussion in this group or even GD when being called names, being labeled as a future murderer, blood on my hands, child killer and of course never forget about the juvenile references to the penis.
I do find it hard indeed to have a nice civil discussion when that is happening.
At least this group allows people with opposing views to post, but unfortunately not in the most polite and civil way.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Which just kills me, the irony, the lack of tolerance.
As the progressive online community is mostly against gun rights, the anti-gun group has strength and safety in numbers.
The juries that rule one way or another are, therefore, more likely to allow insults from that POV, directed toward even the most civil speaker if that speaker is supportive of gun ownership rights.
It's a very natural human dynamic and it happens everywhere humans interact.
Personally, I'm glad to be on the side that doesn't take joy in using insults.
We offer more solutions, workable solutions, and we often reach out to find common ground but it's more often than not met with derision and contempt.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)in Austin. I think the Dead Kennedys were playing the Ritz, and there was a huge pile up in the mosh pit; scores wallowing on the floor in sweat, B.O., torn shirts, spilled beer, and someone brightly inquires: "Who farted?"
samsingh
(17,571 posts)something else perhaps, or perhaps he would have had time to cool down.
at some point, after many many deaths, maybe people will understand that the availability of a weapon in a hostile situation increases the odds of a tragic outcome.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)People, literally, carry around short baseball bats, knives, and other crazy shit just waiting for an excuse to use it.
I submit that this nut might just as well as mowed down his victims with his car, there's no telling.
samsingh
(17,571 posts)pulling a trigger in anger is very easy
mikeysnot
(4,755 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)samsingh
(17,571 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)one side of the story, and no evidence, and no investigation of possible motives. I seriously doubt it had anything to do with road rage.
liberal N proud
(60,300 posts)What else was it?
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)but one sided media accounts without the details from the investigation are rarely if ever accurate. The truth won't come out for another year at least, if at all.
samsingh
(17,571 posts)samsingh
(17,571 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Not to say that road rage doesn't happen, but the OP would be better served by
"fearing" impaired/incompetent drivers wielding an assault Honda, as they are
far more likely to cause harm than some random git with a firearm...
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Day in and day out for years I have been told I "live in fear" because I have guns. Then this jazz about road rage. Heavens.
samsingh
(17,571 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)I refuse to be a willing victim.
I'm currently researching how to make my 45 my car gun. Problem being it's so large I'm having trouble concealing it and keeping it close by in case of emergency.
This seems like a really good reason to buy one of the new budget Ruger 9E (or is it E9???) for 350 bucks you get 15+ rounds of 9mm on hand, reliable accurate service, and you're not out a bunch of cash if some pillhead steals it.
liberal N proud
(60,300 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)I currently EDC a LCP. I'm thinking of changing it out for my SR45.
Safety first I always say.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)DO NOT misuse their firearms. Check Texas and Florida stats -- that would be all of the proof any person with integrity would need.
samsingh
(17,571 posts)great way to smell the open air in the land of the free
ileus
(15,396 posts)33 mpg
sarisataka
(18,215 posts)to this day I don't know why. Still in between the charging, swerving, braking and flipping off I was receiving I calmly reached near my waist where I had my .38 holstered and...
drew my cell phone, immediately triggering 911. A turn onto a highway allowed the state patrol to identify the vehicle and record the reckless actions on the traffic cameras. My description matched the registered owner of the vehicle so I never even had to go to court.
One thing however, I would never to go my or any other person's house when being followed. Drive around and find a cop or at least busy area.
I never once worried the other person had a gun. A moving target is very hard to hit.
liberal N proud
(60,300 posts)It was about a town bully and how the town eventually took him out.
Well I lived in the county seat in the county where that story took place in reality. My wife's grandparents lived in the town. I was chased 13 miles by that bully once and I knew he had a gun and I did not. To this day, I suspect every asshole on the road as a potential gun slinger.
Thinking otherwise in this gun slinging country is stupid and could be deadly.
sarisataka
(18,215 posts)but I will check it out.
I go out not expecting everyone to have a gun because I know only a very small fraction of people carry a firearm. I also go about my business avoiding conflict as much as a person can do. If conflict occurs I then work to de-escalate and resolve the conflict peacefully. I do this not because I an fearful but because it is the correct thing to do.
Now I could handle conflict by whipping it out and shooting someone but despite accusations, I have no desire to kill anyone. My gun is the last resort. The closest I have come to that point was an attempted robbery but I managed to convince the robber to leave without displaying, or even letting him become aware of my being armed.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)Brian Dennehy plays the town bully, the story is based on this guy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Rex_McElroy
samsingh
(17,571 posts)without any warning.
and if he was a decent shot.
sarisataka
(18,215 posts)the driver was a she.
She did get out of her car and start to approach me. If a gun was involved I would have done the same thing, drive off; perhaps a little faster. Seated in a vehicle puts me at a serious tactical disadvantage. Also, SYG or not ( MN is not an SYG state) retreat is most often the best response to an armed threat.
Worst case, she would have shot and killed me. Not the first time I would have been shot at , though it would be a first time to be killed. I have come to understand the Zen attitude on mortality. I will not let fear of death limit me living my life.
samsingh
(17,571 posts)agree on the zen attitude though
IronGate
(2,186 posts)It's the Marine Globe and Anchor, which means that by being shot at, he probably means in combat, same as I was shot at.
samsingh
(17,571 posts)thank you for your service. it is a sign of immense courage.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)I know we've had our differences, sometime heated, but that doesn't mean I don't respect your opinions, disagree sometimes, but still respect.
You have a very good night and a very good Labor Day weekend.
samsingh
(17,571 posts)acalix
(81 posts)Any info if he was one?
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)This is exactly what I am afraid of every time I get in the car.......
No one is responsible for dealing with your irrational fear but you. The incident you cited is rare -- the chances that you'd not only be in the vicinity of the hothead in the story, and then behave in a manner that would add fuel to his fire are likely NIL. You are, after all, a calm and composed individual.....yes?
Then of course there is the fact that for every incident such as this, a gun prevents violence from being inflicted upon someone else. But of course you won't even bother to research defensive gun use, given your blind hatred of guns.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)have a gun he could not shoot you. It is all the paradigm you look through. Yours has guns as a given. Most people see life without guns or the need for them. And blind hatred of guns is a good thing not a negative in the paradigms of most people. That is because they see gun violence as a negative that can be prevented to some degree not taken as a collateral part of having freedom.
samsingh
(17,571 posts)Anybody who thinks that "blind hatred" is "a good thing" must be experiencing some serious cognitive dissonance. That might explain much of the hysteria.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)People can hate inanimate things. They do it all the time. But you leave that out with your wow bull shit!
Do gunners ever make a realistic statement or is everything just for effect?
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)"Do gunners ever make a realistic statement" Yes we do, far, far more often the you do with your fact free, emotional rants.
Straw Man
(6,613 posts)You used the phrase "blind hatred." How that could ever be construed as "a good thing" is mind-boggling to me. It's essentially a textbook definition of the word prejudice.
Yup. Cognitive dissonance fosters hysteria. I rest my case.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)Oh wait.....never mind.
They're blind.
beevul
(12,194 posts)"And blind hatred of guns is a good thing not a negative in the paradigms of most people."
How do you reconcile this clearly-disconnected-from-reality opinion which you hold and have decided to share with us, with the fact that roughly 8 out of 10 Americans support the second amendment as an individual right?
http://www.angusreidglobal.com/polls/americans_agree_on_second_amendmentaas_meaning/
exboyfil
(17,857 posts)If as it is described and he was shot down in cold blood, then Hardman needs to spend the rest of his life in prison (or until he is so old and gray as to no longer pose a threat and after demonstrating good behavior).
The takeaway for a driver is to never escalate a situation. In this case by getting into an argument. Just get indoors and call the cops (assuming you did not know this nut was following you, otherwise call 911, find a LEO, etc).
I used to have this gesturing and getting offended by another aggressive driver until being cut off by a group on an interstate where one threw an object at my car after cutting me off and me gesturing. I had my children in the car - at that point I realized I am going to keep my hands at 10 and 2, and look straight forward showing no emotion.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Defend what?
Someone somewhere in a nation of 300 million people killed someone. Hes responsible for his actions, and the other 299,999,999 people aren't.
Take it up with the guy who did it, not that 299,999,999 of us who didn't.