WATCH: Off-duty security guard opens fire after CT bar fight, wounding five people

[doxydad]

WHY WE NEED GUN CONTROL:


A 22-year-old Connecticut man was arrested on Sunday and charged with firing a handgun into a crowd leaving a nightclub, injuring five people, police said.

Dayron Wills of Stamford, who works as a security guard, was charged with five counts of first-degree assault, reckless endangerment, unlawful discharge of a firearm, and possession of marijuana, police said.

Wills is suspected of being in a fight inside the nightclub in the predawn hours of Sunday. Police said he followed someone with whom he thought he had been in an altercation and then fired his handgun into a crowd at a nearby park.

“We have a video of the shooting and it appears whatever set things off, the suspect unfortunately decided to just start firing randomly into a crowd of people,” said Stamford Police Captain Richard Conklin, commander of the department’s Bureau of Criminal Investigations.

Why we need gun control: This guy.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/14/watch-off-duty-security-guard-opens-fire-after-ct-bar-fight-wounding-five-people/

[ileus]

1. Never figured out why people waste time and money at a bar

anyway.



Why would anyone who values their safety would venture into such a shithole is beyond me. I know if I ever go in a bar there's zero way I'd go inside without my personal safety device on my side. (concealed of course) Nothing but a bunch of drunks looking to fight.

[HooptieWagon]

4. Theres plenty of good reasons to go to a bar.

Shoot pool with a few friends.
Watch a game on TV, if you don't have cable.
Listen to local music.
Conversation.
Airconditioning.

Bars have different customers... stay away from those with customers you don't trust. Generally, nothing good happens after midnight... leave early. "Neighborhood" bars have regular customers... everybody knows each other, and trouble-makers aren't allowed in. Bars located in an" entertainment district" have more strangers, and its more difficult to weed out potential trouble makers.
I have several friends who own bars, and I enjoy them all. Interesting and diverse group of customers to converse with. Most of those bars serve beer and wine only... no hard liquor... that keeps the hard core alcoholics away, much fewer incidents. I do sound for bands in several local bars, and am amazed at the talent of local musicians. $5 cover at the door often lets you see a FAR better show than paying $50, $100, or more to see some stale has-beens on a reunion tour. And several of the bars host art shows, or showcase local art. One bar owner has been receptive to hosting unusual, off the wall,events.... I once persueded him to allow a friend to perform a musical he wrote there... biggest crowd the place had on a tuesdsy night in years. And most of the bars host fundraising benefit events. Bars don't have to be a local liability, they can also be a neighborhood asset.

[Eleanors38]

8. Best defense of bars I've seen in some time!

The f.u.s are usually well-known, and leave early. Good advice.

I go to varied spots, now, and am usually home by 9 pm. I limit my intake to 14 beers/wk. Some bars have nice celebrations of Thanksgiving, and even Christmas for those folks who can't make it home or who have no home -- save for the tavern.

[HooptieWagon]

17. Yes. And I've met some interesting people.

One place I go, one of the regulars is a county judge (and pretty good amateur musician). It turns out he used to be a university professor, having PhDs in Economics and Finance. When W's Great Recession began, he held a couple impromptu "classroom sessions"... a dozen or so people gathered around a table, ranging from lawyers, real estate agents, to blue-collar workers, servers, etc., and he explained to everyone about derivatives, who and what caused the crash, etc. Very educational.... far better than getting mis-information from Faux News.
Another example... I was hanging out one afternoon listening to some music under the oak trees at a "dive" local outdoor bar. Ended up in a conversation with a guy in jeans, t-shirt, drinking a Bud, who was the husband of one of the musicians. Turned out he was an interior designer, and was having trouble finding someone to do the "built-ins" in a large museum under construction. They needed outstanding quality. I supplied him with contact info for a friend who is a custom woodworker, more of an artist, really. Turned out to be a $700,000 job! You never know who the person that pulls up a seat next to you will turn out to be.

[Eleanors38]

20. I love biergartens. They are effective resistance to cellphone

culture & the library atmosphere that has tamed the stir-it-up tradition of coffee houses. A new beergarden opened in Austin last month. Yeah, there is the electronic priesthood, but the rattle of conversation at communal tables is prevalent.

[Eleanors38]

2. No, doxy, it's: Why we need law enforcement. Voila!

This guy was arrested.

We don't need your controls for me and tens of millions if others because of some asshole's actions in Connecticut.

[tosh]

5. "This guy was arrested."

Sure. After the fact.

[Eleanors38]

6. Short of preventitive detention & prior censorship,

that's how it's supposed to work.

He was a security guard, presumably trained, bonded and vetted by the law in one of the bluest states in the union. Unless you want to dismantle and overhaul the whole notion of non-LEO security, I don't see much to go on with your comments.

[tosh]

11. "Short of preventitive detention & prior censorship"

"Prior censorship" would be a good start, IMO.

[Eleanors38]

21. Well, it's point-blank unconstitutional.

[tosh]

22. How so?

[Eleanors38]

23. You censor someone before they speak, it's a 1A violation

on its face. You deny RKBA with no due process, it's a violation of 2A on its face.

Maybe the State of CN was remiss in establishing and enforcing standards for "security guards" (assuming he was duly-authorized and not some bouncer), maybe the suspect violated the law (looks like he did). But you don't deny an individual right on the basis of a suspicion, rumor or prejudice. You do so only after due process, either in a trial, or mental incompetency finding, or both. I don't like Nixonian approaches to constitutional rights.

[IronGate]

7. Of course after the fact,

that's the way it usually works.

[tosh]

9. "No, doxy, it's: Why we need law enforcement. Voila!"

[IronGate]

10. Doxy?

Did you reply to the wrong post?

[tosh]

12. Nope.

[IronGate]

13. Then why are you calling me Doxy?

[tosh]

14. Quotation.

Just follow the thread the you're in.

[IronGate]

15. Apparently I've not had enough coffee this AM yet.

I see where I messed up, thanks.
Good day to you, lousy day here, forcast of Thunderstorms all day.

[tosh]

16. It's all good.

Big thunderstorms will be here on Wednesday. They can be fun when they're not destructive. Hope yours are the good kind.

[Eleanors38]

3. BTW, doxy, did you enjoy the video? Was it fun? You don't say.

Will you and others in Castle Bansalot be dumping videos like this here, or keeping them in your group? Hear tell, there's a LOT of video on the innertube showing Self-Defense actions against violent criminals, some involving children. That means they would be eminently qualified for posting in

GD

[Duckhunter935]

25. I see Doxy is doubling down

new poster and gave him the benefit of the doubt when ha started and actually asked a question and it was answered. After that he gave a snarky ass response and now is just another secularmotion posting cut and paste bull without the courtesy of commenting on his posts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=148679

[AtheistCrusader]

18. Which specific form of gun control do you propose would be relevant to this incident?

[sarisataka]

19. What does his profession have to do

With anything? The article states neither that he works as armed security nor that he is security for the club.

[pablo_marmol]

24. No form of "gun control" would have prevented this.

Regardless of whether the shooter worked as an armed or unarmed security guard, the vetting to get guard certified is as, or more stringent than that to obtain a gun.

Edited to add: A DUI, for example, within five years will do you in here in California w/regard to guard certification.