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Mon May 12, 2014, 10:21 PM

SYG debate at UC Berkley

My observations: I was a little surprised how few people knew that California is a SYG state; Sunny Hostin's intellect is on par with Sara Palin's and she lost the bet and became the subject of a Downfall parody; Hostin's debate partner didn't seem prepared either.

The whole thing is about 97 minutes.

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gejohnston May 2014 OP
IronGate May 2014 #1
Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #2
beemer27 May 2014 #3
Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #4

Response to gejohnston (Original post)

Mon May 12, 2014, 10:44 PM

1. I think that most people assume that because CA has some of the harshest

 

gun control laws that no way is SYG a law there.
If I remember right, CA has had SYG since the 1800's.

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Response to IronGate (Reply #1)

Mon May 12, 2014, 11:55 PM

2. We're like that here in Oregon, too.

We've had what amounts to SYG (and a very permissive castle doctrine) here for many, many years. Astonishingly, we're not awash in blood...

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Response to IronGate (Reply #1)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:11 AM

3. SYG is not the bad guy.

There is no reason that anyone has to back down or run from bullies or thieves. Most SYG laws are actually good law designed to give some level of legal protection to honest citizens. The problem arises when the law is used (misused?) by people who were the aggressors. If the justice system is working properly, and the court officials are doing their job, this should not be a problem. Sadly, sometimes the safe guards don't work.

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Response to gejohnston (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 10:20 AM

4. I find it ironic that we are expected to believe --

1) SYG laws incentivize normally decent people into becoming reckless killers

2) a disarmed populace WON'T incentivize those already disposed to criminal behavior from preying upon that populace.

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