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Fri Feb 10, 2012, 01:59 PM

"L.I. Rep. Carolyn McCarthy’s district on the chopping block." No more shoulder thing that goes up?

Note that it's the Democrats that are throwing her under the bus:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/i-rep-carolyn-mccarthy-district-chopping-block-article-1.1019514?localLinksEnabled=false


L.I. Rep. Carolyn McCarthy’s district on the chopping block

State losing two congressional seats based on Census results


By Kenneth Lovett / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 8:59 PM

ALBANY — Democratic Rep. Carolyn McCarthy’s Long Island district is on the chopping block as state leaders begin redrawing congressional boundaries, the Daily News has learned.

State Senate and Assembly negotiators are looking at merging McCarthy’s Nassau County district into a Nassau-Queens district now held by fellow Dem Gary Ackerman, sources close to the planning said.

McCarthy’s current district “collides” with Ackerman’s, making it a perfect candidate for merger, insiders said.

The lines are expected to be drawn in a way that favors Ackerman in a potential primary....

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Reply "L.I. Rep. Carolyn McCarthy’s district on the chopping block." No more shoulder thing that goes up? (Original post)
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 OP
TheWraith Feb 2012 #1
bongbong Feb 2012 #4
gejohnston Feb 2012 #5
bongbong Feb 2012 #6
Straw Man Feb 2012 #7
bongbong Feb 2012 #8
Straw Man Feb 2012 #9
bongbong Feb 2012 #22
discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #15
bongbong Feb 2012 #21
discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #26
Callisto32 Feb 2012 #10
bongbong Feb 2012 #18
Lurks Often Feb 2012 #13
bongbong Feb 2012 #19
Glassunion Feb 2012 #14
bongbong Feb 2012 #20
gejohnston Feb 2012 #23
bongbong Feb 2012 #24
gejohnston Feb 2012 #28
Glassunion Feb 2012 #25
bongbong Feb 2012 #27
Glassunion Feb 2012 #29
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #30
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #31
JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2012 #2
ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #3
Callisto32 Feb 2012 #11
Simo 1939_1940 Feb 2012 #17
Callisto32 Feb 2012 #12
oneshooter Feb 2012 #16

Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2012, 02:20 PM

1. Makes a certain amount of sense.

Like most of the politicians who push gun control, she's a crypto-Republican. She only switched parties in order to run for Congress, and was a big supporter of the Iraq War until about 2007 or so when it became impossible to defend.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 10, 2012, 09:06 PM

4. ?????????

 

> Like most of the politicians who push gun control, she's a crypto-Republican

It's like a statement from an alternate universe!

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Response to bongbong (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 10, 2012, 09:25 PM

5. actually no

there is a long list of them. Many of the founders of the gun control groups for starters. One is now working at the Manhattan Institute. In her case, she ran as a Dem (while still a registered Republican) only after losing a GOP primary. She has been a life long Republican and did not change her party registration until her second term. She also championed the Enron loophole, which lead to more destruction than any "gun show loophole".

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 10, 2012, 09:52 PM

6. still ????????????

 

So I guess the way the NRA rips any Democrat to shreds and openly endorses every single repig is just a weird coincidence.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 12:16 AM

7. Actually, no.

So I guess the way the NRA rips any Democrat to shreds and openly endorses every single repig is just a weird coincidence.

Not a coincidence, but a fantasy. The NRA skews right, but it has endorsed Democrats over Republicans many times. You might want to do a little fact-checking before you post.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 12:52 AM

8. Oh

 

You mean how some Democrats get conservative about gun rights after being threatened by the NRA, and then the NRA endorses them?

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Response to bongbong (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 03:01 AM

9. So ...

... are you retracting your assertion that "the NRA rips any Democrat to shreds and openly endorses every single repig"? Because apparently even you now recognize that it flat-out isn't true, right?

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 13, 2012, 10:54 AM

22. Actually...

 

It appears there are a few NRA endorsements of Dems. Most of these occur after a Dem is targeted by the NRA and they are worried about keeping their seat, and they "moderate" their position to match what the NRA wants them to say.

However, I have not been able to find a repig who was running for office & was attacked by the NRA. I don't think such an animal exists. Do you know of any?

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Response to bongbong (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 07:46 PM

15. You are, of course, quite correct.

The NRA should absolutely endorse Pelosi, Schumer... The political views of the citizens which are represented by the NRA don't deserve to be heard.


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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 13, 2012, 10:51 AM

21. strawman alert

 

Never said what you claimed I did. Sorry, Charlie.

D'OH!

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Response to bongbong (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 13, 2012, 01:13 PM

26. Yeah...

...I know. I couldn't resist.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 06:29 AM

10. Patently, demonstrably false.

Not a good start.

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Response to Callisto32 (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 13, 2012, 10:48 AM

18. asdf

 

So let's see your evidence. Should be awfully easy to find it.

I know it is ultra-easy to find the evidence that the NRA blasts Democrats on a regular basis.

https://www.google.com/search?q=nra+blasts+democrats

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Response to bongbong (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 05:54 PM

13. Not that you are correct, but for the sake of argument

, wouldn't that mean that such a Democrat was more interested in his/her politicial career, then doing what was right? Is that what you are trying to say?

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 13, 2012, 10:49 AM

19. asdf

 

You mean politicians are acting like politicians?

SHOCKING!

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Response to bongbong (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 07:31 PM

14. If what you said was factual

you would have a point. However...

I'm afraid you are quite mistaken.

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 13, 2012, 10:50 AM

20. asdf

 

No evidence for your position. Here is a SMALL sample of my evidence:

https://www.google.com/search?q=nra+blasts+democrats

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 13, 2012, 12:29 PM

24. Thanks

 

Thanks for the evidence that supports my position. From an article your link returned:

"It's an unwelcome move as far as Republicans are concerned. They've come to take NRA endorsements of their candidates as a given."

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Response to bongbong (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 13, 2012, 03:40 PM

28. not really

the GOP was taking them for granted, the NRA cares about the guns not the party. Do you know the difference between the party vs one line in the party platform? The individual congress person vs the party? Are you saying a real progressive on health care, corporate greed, etc is not a real Democrat because he is not in lock step on what is really a backwater issue?

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Response to bongbong (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 13, 2012, 12:59 PM

25. That is not evidence at all.

That is a Google search. Not to mention, the first page of results gives me the following:
1st - Dianne Feinstein was the one blasting Democrats, not the NRA.
2nd - Is a link to a DU post about e-mail, not the NRA blasting anyone.
3rd - Is a Wiki link about a themed restaurant.
4th - Is a link about John Stewart blasting the NRA, not the NRA blasting anyone.
5th - Dianne Feinstein was the one blasting Democrats, not the NRA.
6th - Is another forum post. Its says the NRA blasted a Dem Gov, however the link is dead.
7th - Is an article about Romney “Flip-Flopping”. BTW there is zero mention of the NRA in the article.
8th - Is freeper post about a police chief blasting the NRA, not the NRA blasting anyone.
9th - Is a Huffpo article by Frank Lautenberg talking about the NRA. The NRA is not blasting anyone.
10th - Is from a website devoted to stopping the ACLU. The blasting mentioned is a Democrat blasting a climate change bill.

Your "SMALL" sample has actually yielded nothing.

Here is your statement: "So I guess the way the NRA rips any Democrat to shreds and openly endorses every single repig is just a weird coincidence. "

Your statement is not factual. If they "rip any Democrat to shreds" then please show me where they ripped the following Democrats:
Strickland, Ted
Shuler, Heath
Boyd, Allen
Altmire, Jason
Skelton, Ike
Herseth Sandlin, Stephanie
Matheson, Jim
Holden, Tim
Boren, Dan
Mollohan, Alan B
Ross, Mike
Davis, Lincoln
Space, Zachary T
Childers, Travis W
Cardoza, Dennis
Halvorson, Deborah
Dingell, John D
Taylor, Gene
Rahall, Nick
Hill, Baron

If they "openly endorse every single repig" then where was their endorsement of the above's opponents?

Why did 30% of their direct contributions to candidates go to Democrats in 2010? Also, since the '06 elections the average direct donation to Democrats is higher than to Republicans.

So to reiterate your statement... "So I guess the way the NRA rips any Democrat to shreds(No they do not) and openly endorses every single repig(No they do not) is just a weird coincidence(There is no coincidence)."

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 13, 2012, 02:56 PM

27. I should've qualified my statement

 

It should've been: "So I guess the way the NRA rips any Democrat who acts like a Democrat to shreds, and openly endorses every single repig who isn't running against a repig-acting Democrat or running against a Democrat-acting Democrat is just a weird coincidence. "

I stand corrected.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #27)

Mon Feb 13, 2012, 04:01 PM

29. I need some clarification.

What actions do deem to be a Democrat acting like a Democrat vs a Democrat acting like a Repub?

The reason I ask, is that there are quite a few Dems, who act like Dems, vote like Dems who have also been endorsed by the NRA.

I've also seen the NRA fail to openly support or endorse a Republican who is running against a Democrat who acts like these other Democrats.

Your new statement does not hold much water either.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #27)

Mon Feb 13, 2012, 05:54 PM

31. No comments on the fact that it's the NY Democratic Party giving McCarthy the shiv?

Yeah, I'd want to divert attention away from that too. It fucks up the "The NRA is behind it" meme...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2012, 04:38 PM

2. Or maybe Gary Ackerman will go under the bus

McCarthy will contest the seat, right?

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 10, 2012, 05:16 PM

3. Too early to tell

However McCarthy is a bit of an embarrassment to our Democratic party

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 06:31 AM

11. A bit?

Like that time Feinstein muzzled the crowd with her finger on the trigger?

"Shoulder thing that goes up." Lol.

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Response to Callisto32 (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 09:00 PM

17. You would have thought that the word "barrel" would have been a


clue as to the general location of a barrel shroud.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 06:34 AM

12. Is anybody else bothered by the use of "collides" here?

"Abuts, is adjacent to, borders, touches..." all kinds of great, accurate words and phrases they could have used, and the politicians (surprise surprise) picked one that makes absolutely zero sense.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 07:48 PM

16. Too bad it didn't happen to the 18th district in Texas.

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