327 denied concealed carry licenses because of poor training

[SecularMotion]

John Ambrose hoped to be among the first people in Illinois licensed to carry a concealed gun when the state’s new law took effect this year.

Instead, Ambrose, 38, of Joliet said he learned Monday that his application had been denied because he took a class in Bolingbrook that didn’t meet state requirements from an instructor who’s had his right to teach revoked. Ambrose said although some students had voiced concerns about the part of the class to be taught online, the teacher told them the training met state standards.

“I kind of feel like a fool,” he said.

Illinois State Police announced Tuesday that the agency denied concealed carry licenses to 327 applicants who received inadequate training from a firearms instructor in Bolingbrook. Though state police spokeswoman Monique Bond declined to give the instructor’s name, she said the class didn’t meet state criteria because it didn’t involve 16 hours of in-person training, instead including an online component.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/suburbs/bolingbrook/chi-327-denied-concealed-carry-licenses-because-of-poor-training-20140401,0,2695924.story

[Duckhunter935]

1. OK

Sounds like they did the right thing. I do not think anyone's against proper training.

Once again you are afraid to comment I see

That Google searching and cutting and pasting must be tiring.

[SecularMotion]

3. Hi follower

[Duckhunter935]

4. I see you were afraid to provide an answer to why

I can not post over in the other group like you wanted me too.


I guess when caught you are just all bluff and hot air

[SecularMotion]

5. I'm starting a newsletter for my followers

If you'd like to subscribe, simply click on the icon with the [font color="red"]X[/font] to the right of my name and you will be added to the list.

[Duckhunter935]

6. see you have nothing

I love pointing out the how some behave.

YOU will not answer a simple question, YOU deflect from any honest discussion.

Yep everyone knows your ways and how you and a few others work.

It really has become a joke for to shine some sunlight on to some from your side of the argument.

future murderer- check, penis jokes- check, name calling-check, fail to respond or change subject-check

rinse, wash, repeat

Nope I will not put you on ignore as I need a good laugh at times

I see you are rarely even posting in your echo chamber, why is that? to dead over there?

[Duckhunter935]

8. scared and ran away again, I see

I see when the light is shined on some here they just run and hide.

I like exposing them to the bright lights of truth.

Do not have to use ignore when they run and hide and fail to answer a simple question

[rrneck]

18. For most people an OP is an invitation to discuss something

but for Sec it's a way to claim territory. When you look at the RKBA group page the titles all read like everybody posting here is anti gun or pro "gun safety" or whatever. But it only works if you don't click on one of the threads and see how the arguments of the bloviating editorials and bad journalism get shredded. So basically its for people with the most superficial interest in the issue. Think Potemkin advocacy.

[SecularMotion]

21. See post #5

[SQUEE]

10. so responding to your posts is "following'?

nothing was negative and was a post saying YAY for the law...Keep making it clear, you do so much for the cause, God's work indeed... Mars or Vulcan, but thats OK.

[SecularMotion]

11. See post #5.

Nice job on the punctuation. Keep up the good work!

[SQUEE]

13. after you called him a follower

Oh, are you to hate on me now since English is not my native toungue now?
Bigotry ooozes from your every post, God's work there too I take it, thank you for educating this immigrant savage....

[SecularMotion]

14. Interesting

Is your username a derivative of Queequeg?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queequeg

[SQUEE]

15. WTF?

14. Interesting

Is your username a derivative of Queequeg?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queequeg




You double down on it?

People aside from Americans read Mellville, so your little link is unecassary and patronising...
But your pompous and racist attitude is amazing, seriously it is one thing to hate me because i disagree on "gunz", and to play your bigoted games on that aspect I have come to expect it... But on this site to come and belittle me for my nationality, or user name in such an obvious racist way.

[Lizzie Poppet]

19. Not even bothering to pretend any more, are you?

Probably just as well...it's not as if you were fooling anyone.

[SecularMotion]

20. See post #5

[Lizzie Poppet]

22. QED

All too easy...

[DonP]

24. Someone is very full of themselves ... or full of something.

[SQUEE]

25. So you'r response is merely we must accept

your abuse and attempts to belittle people? Ignore them myself, but allow others to watch as you mock another User?

honest question because that is all I can see from your response

[SecularMotion]

28. Please stop "playing the victim."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_playing

No one is abusing you here.

[SQUEE]

29. really?

You have belittled me due to my english lapses, this is ok to you, it is merely an extension of the constant bigotry and dehumanization of gun owners, your responses and attitude would never stand if you showed this lack of basic human decency to any other "type" of poster, it is insulting, and very distressing to see it allowed on this site, I give freely to help maintain this place because on most any other subject, i am in agreement with the majority, but due to my stance on one platform, which is in line with the parties stated purpose, I am allowed to be belittled, and culturally denigrated.

YOu do not get to decide what constiutes hurtful or abusive speach to me, before I merely pointed out your bigotry about guns, but am truly disgusted at your pointed and obvious verbal abuse and taunting , I am educated, and for the most part do well with English, but hey i make mistakes, perhaps if you looked at what i say not how i say it you would actually get that.

[SecularMotion]

30. I'm not playing your victim game

Bye

[oneshooter]

32. Run, Circular, run!

[Jenoch]

34. Congratulations!

It appears you have set a personal record in the number of times you have posted in one of your drive by OPs.

[blueridge3210]

31. Right

Because comments like "Hi, Stalker" or "Hi Follower" are certainly not "playing the victim".

Incredible.

[blueridge3210]

16. As opposed to "Stalking"

Which is what he used to accuse anyone of who had the temerity to respond to one of his ubiquitous drive by google dumps.

[ileus]

2. As I always say, Practice Practice Practice...Oh wait it's because their instructor is as ass.

Hopefully these folks will get the training and start carry personal protection devices soon. I also recommend a lawyer to get their money back from the scam artist.

[Eleanors38]

7. Follow procedures, enforce laws, sue when necessary. nt

[beemer27]

9. This is a Positive for RKBA

When these kinds of laws are clearly written, and enforced, it is to the benefit of all society. The gun control mob should see that all permit holders are really qualified to carry under the law, and that firearms owners obey the law.I feel sorry for the people who were scammed by this sorry excuse of an instructor, but they may be able to receive a refund form him, and will check the credentials of the instructor that they hire next time. This is a positive lesson for anyone who believes in personal firearms rights. It also demonstrates to the hoplophobes that concealed carry is not the "Wild West", and there will not be "blood in the streets" like they prophesied, but that we believe in the rule of law, and obeying it.

[NYC_SKP]

27. I agree. I thank SecularMotion for posting this good news, the system works, it's sensible. nt

[ManiacJoe]

33. +1

[gejohnston]

12. Can Mr. Ambrose sue for a refund?

I hope he and his class mates do.

[DonP]

17. As an Illinois instructor, I have mixed reactions to this

They were scammed by a guy who claimed he could do the required 16 hours of instruction in 8 hours online and the range qualification was going to be on the "Honor" system. Which is of course, total bullshit. What he did was crank through 320+ of their checks for $175 in record time.

But at the same time the students were eager enough to find a shortcut (cheat?) to getting certified, that they didn't check with the state police to see if this was in any way legit. One phone call or going online would have told them this was a scam.

The police haven't named the instructor publicly, but most of us know who it is and a group of us have offered to help them get the proper training for a discount to cover our cost of materials.

They have every right to sue the now de-certified instructor, but between the cost for the lawyer and the time there's not much there to be had.

Anytime you have something with a pent up high demand there's going to be someone that tries to game the system. The Illinois State Police did the right thing and maybe these folks will stop looking for short cuts now.

[Common Sense Party]

23. And?

What is the takeaway?

[liberal N proud]

26. Sounds like the process is working

Maybe the DMV should adopt some of the same principles.