Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumOhio National Guard portrayed gun rights supporters as domestic terrorists during drill
WSAZ News reported out of Portsmouth, Ohio early last year that a mock disaster had been staged in order to see first responders from Scioto County and the Ohio Army National Guards Fifty-Second Civil Support Unit would react to a make-believe scenario in which school officials plotted to use chemical, biological and radiological agents against members of the community.
"It's the reality of the world we live in," Portsmouth Police Chief Bill Raisin told the network last January. "Don't forget there is such a thing as domestic terrorism. This helps us all be prepared."
This week, though, the website MediaTrackers published documents pertaining to that drill, and with it theyve raised concerns regarding how gun rights activists were depicted.
http://rt.com/usa/ohio-nationalguard-gun-drill-590/
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)...used lie is: "We're from the government and we're here to help you."
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)...of Republican material?
I'm not that familiar with his quotes.
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)sked14
(579 posts)flamin lib
(14,559 posts)sked14
(579 posts)but the majority of gun owners are not going to break the law and start firing on people.
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)New state law there? Estimates are one in five complying and being 'law abiding citizens'. Most gun owners are law abiding only when they like the law. I have a lot of them in my immediate family.
sked14
(579 posts)This, in my humble estimation, is more of a civil disobedience action than anything else, and I'll bet that these people have no intention of committing any murders, mass or otherwise.
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)sked14
(579 posts)And this country has a history of ignoring stupid laws as does law enforcement have a history of refusing to enforce stupid laws.
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)sked14
(579 posts)Americans have a long and storied history of rebellion against laws that we deem as nothing more than hyperbole and unenforceable, which CT's new gun control law seems to fit that description.
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)Consequences of your protest. No minds are changed otherwise.
Thanks for you support in my other thread.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Sometimes the law should be told to fuck off.
Pointless security theater like "assault weapon" registration may well be one of those times.
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)The only additional gun control legislation in play here in Oregon, however, is a background check expansion, which I support.
If a weapon-specific registration (or ban) were enacted here, would I comply while working to see it overturned? Oh, of course. Because it would be, you know...the law and stuff. I would never, ever engage in civil disobedience...
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Care to join me, law-abider?
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)You want to lock them all up? Yeah, I thought so.
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)The cost/benefit ratio. Gun owners can do the same. Just give up the 'law abiding' bullshit and admit that you only obey the laws you agree with.
Call it civil disobedience and you're wrong--it's only civil disobedience if it's out in the open and you're willing to suffer the consequences of your actions. Too many gun owners aren't willing to do that preferring to hide their illegal behavior.
Be out, be loud, be proud and show yourself. Garner support because the people will see you're right or be 'law abiding' and register your AR/AK.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)flamin lib
(14,559 posts)MicaelS
(8,747 posts)And you know goddamn good and well that people in Texas will never put up with any type of gun registration in this state. And I would NEVER move to, or reside in ANY state that requires this type of registration.
And every person is "law abiding" until they're not. So yes, I agree that moniker should be discarded. However, this law, like many others is just another bullshit "feel good" law that politicians pass so they can be seen to be "doing something" when in reality they are not doing jack shit.
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)Do it for you, probably badly. Tell the gun lobby to propose, not oppose.
You are more than willing to work with gun owners to enact meaningful gun control laws that won't infringe on the lawful gun owners.
Keep up the good vibes.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)and even though I don't, I respect their decision to engage in civil disobedience.
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)Response to flamin lib (Reply #15)
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friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)My mistake.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Fuckers who would disarm us and shit on any of the ten amendments are, IMHO, terrorists unfit to be a part of a free society.
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)sked14
(579 posts)flamin lib
(14,559 posts)sked14
(579 posts)flamin lib
(14,559 posts)Cross pollination of the two forums from time to time isn't a bad thing. Remaining civil is sometimes difficult, but some agreement is possible.
I've said for years that gungeoners are the best qualified to suggest make-sense gun violence legislation if only they would. Shit, that's why the NRA was formed; to promote marksmanship and gun safety. Too bad crass profiteering has surplanted that noble cause.
sked14
(579 posts)Here's what I think should happen in the realm of gun control.
1. Universal Background Checks, all firearms, handguns and rifles, should go through an FFL dealer background check.
2. Safe storage laws in the home when children are present and meaningful penalties for negligent deaths as a result of non compliance of such laws.
3. Mandatory training for the lawful use of firearms before first purchase.
4. Beef up the BATFE to go after corrupt dealers and citizens.
5. Strict regulations for CCW, IE: rigorous training on the lawful use firearms for self defense and the consequences of using said firearms.
6. National registration with the caveat that the database can never be used for confiscation.
7. Mag limits of 10 for handguns and 30 for long rifles. What's good for the govt. should be good for private citizens.
8. I'm always open to other reasonable suggestions.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)or an endorsement on DL after going through NICS check and training. Either that or a purchase permit good for 30 days like Michigan.
That would take care of one and three. Other than providing public sector jobs to run the registry, I don't see any value in registration. I would leave mag limits to what the gun was designed for.
The biggest source of black market guns is largely because of theft, which is why most countries have safe storage laws. In the US there are something like 500K guns reported stolen each year.
Since the biggest problem is drug and gang warfare. The solutions to that is much larger than any gun law. My proposals for that are: end the drug war, get rid of zoning ordnances and other obsticals that prevent good paying jobs to be withing walking or biking distance. A walkable neighborhood is a safe neighborhood. Instead of the school being dependent on local property taxes, equalize the funding.
sked14
(579 posts)I'm always open to reasonable suggestions and I like your comments on the FOID, like what IL. has.
On further review, I agree that mag limits should be restricted to what the firearm was initially designed for and extended mags should be classified under same laws as machine guns.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)or at least I remember being issued 20 round mags until the mid 1990s. After then, I found the 30 round mags problematic.
In Vietnam, we carried 20 round mags with a typical load out of 10 mags per soldier on patrol in my platoon.
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)sked14
(579 posts)Thanks for reminding me, I fully agree with you. Castle Doctrine is and was, quite sufficient for citizens protecting themselves.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)such as California and Illinois?
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)sked14
(579 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)The concern in the scenario isn't that they are gun rights supporters. It's that they are anti-government neo-Nazis.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)You have a huge set of people who are gun rights supporters, millions and millions.
Within that, you have a teeny subset of nuts who are neo-Nazi whackjobs, numbering a few thousand.
That's a pretty small cross-over.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)...the neo-Nazis are only anti-our-current-government. They'd like it replaced with a neo-Nazi friendly one.
Having said that, there are some gun-control folks that would look right at home wearing brown.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)bowens43
(16,064 posts)sked14
(579 posts)in the firearms debate in this country, you and the NRA, opposite sides of the issue.
petronius
(26,602 posts)MediaTrackers, which as I understand it is a Tea Party propaganda bunch. So it may be a leap to conclude that the ONG exercise truly generalized out to '2A advocates are terrorists' as the article tries to imply.
That said, and speaking more generally, I think any government organization ought to be extremely cautious - and held accountable - when it comes to blurring the line between political views/activism and criminality, be it gun rights, environmentalism, Occupy, or anything else...