I'll work with anyone who explicitly renounces gun Prohibition...

[friendly_iconoclast]

...whether it is of the complete or 'gradualist' sorts advocated in these threads:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024383782

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=136130


BTW, I believe the rise of the Prohibitionist wing of the gun control movement explains
why this:

http://americansforresponsiblesolutions.org/

gets comparitively little time here at DU- Gabby Giffords is a gun owner
and is merely tolerated by her so-called "allies"

[Boom Sound 416]

1. Damn. Gabby Giffords is a gun owner

That's a little nugget of "shit, that fucks my narrative so let's suppress it".

I can't believe I'm just learning that.

[friendly_iconoclast]

11. Yep, even after being shot. Via ABC News, here she is at a gun range:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/giffords-shoots-gun-time-tragedy-tucson-19587192

[AtheistCrusader]

18. I feel like I've been taken for somewhat of a ride

on the narrative of what her family's life was like, before and after the shooting, from BOTH ends of the political spectrum.


Like most things, the reality is a little more complex than first glance.

[Squinch]

2. You "will work with them" in what way? What does that mean?

[blueridge3210]

3. Attempt an honest discourse regarding attempts to reduce gun violence.

At least that is how it sounds to me. The devil, of course, is always in the details.

[Squinch]

5. Oh. Whoopee.

[friendly_iconoclast]

6. Cultural warfare hasn't been working too well lately.

Perhaps y'all should consider another approach.

[Squinch]

8. So that you will "work with me?"

[friendly_iconoclast]

9. Versus opposing you at every turn? You make the call

[Squinch]

10. .

[NYC_SKP]

16. I know, right?

It doesn't matter how adult and rational we try to be, we're met with juvenile and divisive replies.

Or worse.

Thanks for the OP, and I did not know that Gabby was representing responsible gun ownership, I'll need to read up on this.

[friendly_iconoclast]

7. That is exactly what I mean, thank you.

[NYC_SKP]

15. delete

Posted in wrong place.

[msongs]

4. gun owners should just stop shooting people. problem solved nt

[blueridge3210]

12. Does your thesis

provide for any difference between a criminal using a gun to assault an innocent person and a lawful gun owner using a firearm for justifiable self defense?

[Lurks Often]

13. Yes the nasty gun owners should just stop shooting the criminals

attacking them and allow themselves to be raped, beaten or murdered like good little victims.

[ileus]

14. I renounce prohibition...

of course I'm also a 2A progressive.

[Eleanors38]

17. "The prohibitionist wing" was, IMO, always there...

What is different, now, is that stigma & smear -- always there as well -- has become utterly dominant within the Prohibitionist outlook and it has muscled past the fledgling reasonable approach folks. In a sense, the Prohibitionists have an NRA-type tiger-by-the-tail: Anyone suggesting reasonable discussion faces the equivalent "being Zumbo-ed."

The school of stigmata reflects a desperation with trying to preserve the fading, shrinking Prohibitionist model. It depends on MSM now more than ever, "sugar daddy" funding, and punch-drunk politicos, all of which are retracting and weakening. Locally, it explains the smash & grab efforts to assert itself in GD (Gunz Department): They have to steal the show for the school of stigmata.

Most 2A folks want UBC, safe gun storage, proper training for CC, among other measures. But the Prohibitionists want none of this: Same as it ever wuz. As Laura said about GWB, "he is not given to reflection."

[beevul]

19. Look at them all!

Look at them all!



Someone better tell skinner we need more room in this group, what with all these "reasonable regulation" types flooding the place, proclaiming loudly and proudly how they don't support prohibition.







At this point, the only people that don't see the "reasonable regulation" crowd on DU for what they are - prohibitionists in "reasonable" clothing - are the ones that don't want to.

[linuxman]

20. Okay. I'll renounce it!

I, Linuxman, do hereby renounce all support for firearm confiscation.


That was surprisingly easy. Then again, I own guns, so there's that...


Seriously though, I've seen hundred's of posts on this site (I lurked for years) mocking gun owners and supporters of the 2nd amendment with jibes such as "Oh no, they're gunna take mug GUUUNNNZZZZZZ!", as if confiscation is something that gun owners ginned up on their own.

Will anyone come out and declare point blank that they oppose gun confiscation? That would go a long way towards improving the dialogue. Perhaps if the 2nd amendment supporters weren't deluged with a continual series of reassurances that "The 2nd amendment is dead, one day we're gonna get them, it's only the first step, the desire to own a gun means you shouldn't own a gun, etc, etc...." then maybe Americans who support things like UBCs and safe storage requirements could get on board. Until then, nothing meaningful can happen.