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Sat Sep 28, 2013, 04:27 PM

here is what I laid out as a reasonable id system in another thread

The gun restictionists here like to pretent no gun owners will take ANY restrictions on ownership....Here is what I propose

I don't personally have a problem with an ID similar to a state issued ID you must possess to buy.
The state already has the ability to instantly determine your ability to possess so a gun ID should be no more expensive than a state issued ID which is usually 10 to 20 bucks.

In order to buy from a dealer or private owner you must show ID.With a dealer they can scan ID and get an instant yes/no from id scan and for private sales a quick trip to the local DMV to have card scanned FOR FREE gives an instant yes/no.

Anyone caught not using system when selling gets a nice felony charge with a ten year minimum....any straw purchasers caught face the same

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Reply here is what I laid out as a reasonable id system in another thread (Original post)
backwoodsbob Sep 2013 OP
rrneck Sep 2013 #1
backwoodsbob Sep 2013 #2
rrneck Sep 2013 #3
backwoodsbob Sep 2013 #4
rrneck Sep 2013 #6
SoutherDem Sep 2013 #11
Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #15
rrneck Sep 2013 #17
SoutherDem Sep 2013 #9
Glaug-Eldare Sep 2013 #14
Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #16
Boom Sound 416 Sep 2013 #5
needledriver Sep 2013 #7
SoutherDem Sep 2013 #10
SoutherDem Sep 2013 #8
backwoodsbob Sep 2013 #12
Jenoch Sep 2013 #13

Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2013, 04:32 PM

1. How would you enforce the law

without a firearms registry?

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Response to rrneck (Reply #1)

Sat Sep 28, 2013, 04:35 PM

2. if the owners are registered why

would you need a firearm registry?

I get where you are going....I guess I wouldn't have a problem with serial numbering every purchase.

As long as I'm not doing anything illegal why do I care if they know I own 30.06 serial number br540

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 28, 2013, 04:42 PM

3. If you want to require people

to make background checks you have to be able to prosecute them when they don't. Effective prosecution requires evidence.

So a prohibited person gets caught with a gun. The cops ask who sold it to him and he says, "fuck you" or really doesn't know. How would you prosecute the guy that sold it to him in the first place?

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Response to rrneck (Reply #3)

Sat Sep 28, 2013, 04:46 PM

4. you are right

I dont have a problem with ID'ing weopens when sold

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #4)

Sat Sep 28, 2013, 05:08 PM

6. Understandable, lots of people don't.

But I do.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #4)

Sat Sep 28, 2013, 06:41 PM

11. I do!

While I DO NOT believe President Obama is going to take my guns! Nor do I think NY and CA style restrictions are going to be nation wide in my life time. However, I don't like the idea of the SWAT team showing up at my door with a list of guns I own demanding I surrender all of them or go to jail, just incase I am wrong.

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Response to rrneck (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 30, 2013, 09:55 AM

15. What effect would a law have if one is required to produce

backwoods I.d. when said person is in posession of a gun, but cannot? Would a smurf go through the I.d. Process? I can see there would be need for probable cause to ask for an I.d.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #15)

Mon Sep 30, 2013, 11:26 AM

17. Sure.

Commit a crime with a gun and get caught with it. Or if a crime is committed with a gun and the gun is recovered without the criminal then the investigation would include chain of custody to try and establish a connection with the suspect.

I sometimes wonder how many crimes are solved by tracing chain of custody or could be solved by such methods? Do the cops actually find that many guns after a crime? Dunno.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 28, 2013, 06:24 PM

9. As long as I'm not doing anything illegal why do I care

Do you feel that way about the NSA listening to phone calls and reading emails?

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Response to rrneck (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 29, 2013, 03:41 PM

14. I think the main benefit would be helping honest people stay honest.

Most sellers don't want to sell to a prohibited person, and would be happy to have a tool similar to this (the DMV trip is a significant burden for somebody with a job) so they don't have to take the purchaser's word for it. This would be mostly effective against the prohibited people who generally operate within lawful society -- convicted spousal abusers, nonviolent felons, certain mentally ill, etc. It would not work against organized criminals that steal, sell, and buy guns in the underworld anyway, and wouldn't always work against a crooked seller who just doesn't care. For those, I think the occasional undercover police purchaser could be a motivation to avoid the risk of dirty sales.

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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 30, 2013, 10:07 AM

16. I think folks believe in the myth that a law's procedures must be 100% complied with,

that every contingency must be met in order for it to have good effect. In Austin in 2011, the weapon-of-choice for homicides was knife or sharp-edged instrument. Even with Texas & fed laws, there must be some kind of deterrence.

If gun-owners trust the system, more and more people will use it. Like re-filling a swamp, the pockets of land where illegal trade/purchase will become fewer and more visible, and hence more subject to law enforcement stings.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2013, 04:57 PM

5. K&R for sensible articulate solutions

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2013, 06:21 PM

7. A quick trip to the local DMV?

I don't know where you live, but here in California there is no such thing as a quick trip to the DMV. Bring a book.

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Response to needledriver (Reply #7)

Sat Sep 28, 2013, 06:25 PM

10. Where I live the pistol permits are issued by the sherifs dept.

What if it is issued by LLE and they can verify it through a phone call or the internet?

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2013, 06:22 PM

8. Without over thinking it sounds good to me

I have always had a 4473 ran to purchase guns anyway, also I carry a state pistol permit. My only questions are would the ID replace the pistol permit or would the pistol permit be the same as the ID and would the ID replace the current 4473?
But,I think it would work, either way.

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Response to SoutherDem (Reply #8)

Sat Sep 28, 2013, 06:55 PM

12. either way works

do an all in one or an incremental where you can get different classes ala ccw or basic ownership

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Sep 28, 2013, 10:04 PM

13. In Minnesota where I live, a permit to purchase is only required

when buying handguns or 'assault weapons'. I realize the FFL dealer will have a record of my purchasing the gun, but that is not the same as the government having a database on how many and what guns I own. I am opposed to gun registration. I don't believe President Obama is going to take my guns. But I bet the gun owners in New Orleans did not believe the cops would confiscate their guns during Hurricane Katrina.

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