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Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:02 PM

Words in the defense of...

...maintaining a militia is the common thread to all of these quotes:

"Though defensive violence will always be 'a sad necessity' in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men." - Augustine of Hippo

"Self-defense is Nature's eldest law." - John Dryden

"Arms are the only true badge of liberty. The possession of arms is the distinction of a free man from a slave." - Andrew Fletcher

"The people have a right to keep and bear arms." - Patrick Henry

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." - Richard Henry Lee

"If you've got to resist, you're chances of being hurt are less the more lethal your weapon. If that were my wife, would I want her to have a .38 Special in her hand? Yeah." - Dr. Arthur Kellerman

"A free people ought to be armed." - George Washington


...or do I have that wrong? Is there something else here I've missed?

Who said this: "Only an armed people can be the real bulwark of popular liberty."???

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discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 OP
tularetom Aug 2013 #1
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #2
tularetom Aug 2013 #5
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #6
Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #3
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #4
Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #7
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #8
jimmy the one Aug 2013 #9
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #10

Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:23 PM

1. Where in those quotes does it say anything about a militia?

IMO I have the right to keep and bear arms without interference from anybody, government or militia, as long as I use said arms in a peaceful and lawful manner.

Maybe I'm missing something.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:10 PM

2. Where indeed?

Many have wasted years of reasoning and months of invective explaining the logic ( ) in what you here oppose.


You've missed nothing at all. Oh perhaps the sly smile implied by that stray tag near the end has escaped you but the 'spot on' question posed in the subject of your reply along with the incisive conclusion you've written within the text leave me feeling only guilt for my subterfuge.

Any guesses on that final quote?

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:40 PM

5. You got me

I see that your OP hasn't been edited so I guess that thing was there all along and I simply failed to notice.

I have to fall back on the excuse that I had just finished grilling for a family get together and had consumed a couple of toddies in the process.

And I also must confess to googling the quote.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 10:25 PM

6. cheers



No excuses needed .

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:22 PM

3. ha! The irony is so thick you can cut it with a knife - TA. The quote belongs to none other than:

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:23 PM

4. Ding, ding, ding, ding...

...

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 11:52 PM

7. ...and he sampled Marx. nt

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 19, 2013, 03:15 PM

8. So I hear...

And while Lenin read a book on Marx
A quartet practiced in the park
And we sang dirges in the dark
The day the music died


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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 10:55 AM

9. no link disconnect

dscntn: ...or do I have that wrong? Is there something else here I've missed?

Quite. Dunno what you thought you proved, or accomplished, outside of hoisting yourself (& your 2ndA mythology) on your own petards.

no link dscntnt: 'A free people ought to be armed." - George Washington

in fuller context, & with the deletion: (GW): A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent of others for essential, particularly military, supplies. The proper establishment of the troops which may be deemed indispensable will be entitled to mature consideration -First Annual Address (8 Jan 1790).

A further quote sometimes purported to be from a speech {above} to Congress, Jan 7, 1790 purportedly in Boston Independent Chronicle, Jan 14, 1790, this is actually a corruption of a statement made in his first State of the Union Address, relating to the need for maintaining governmental troops and military preparedness: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_Washington
.. et tu, guncite?: And yet another bogus Washington quote: A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined but they should have sufficient arms and..

no link dscntnt: .. it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and.. - Richard Henry Lee

Lee's speech in fuller context, speaking of need for citizens militia (& against select militia): .. the constitution ought to secure a genuine and guard against a select militia, by providing that the militia shall always be kept well organized, armed, and disciplined, and include.. all men capable of bearing arms; and that all regulations tending to render this general militia useless and defenceless, by establishing select corps of militia that we must have a select militia; .. These corps, not much unlike regular troops, will ever produce an inattention to the general militia; and the consequence has ever been, and always must be, that the substantial men .. will generally be without arms, without knowing the use of them, and defenceless; whereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them; nor does it follow from this, that all promiscuously must go into actual service on every occasion. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Richard_Henry_Lee

Geez, this OP is sophomoric, so easy to refute, you & all who back-patted should be ashamed for trying to pull wool over reader's eyes. Post some links on the others. Like Pat Henry, duh. How many times you gonna post these canards before you recognize them for what they are?

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Response to jimmy the one (Reply #9)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:10 PM

10. A question

How many times do you need to look for some deep and completely contrary meaning behind words that have a plain and obvious one before you accept the plain and obvious?

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