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Related: About this forumGun-maker airlifts 20,000 extended magazines into Colorado ahead of ban
The event, “A Farewell to Arms,” attracted over 3,000 gun enthusiasts who received free extended magazines with their purchases, according to CBS Denver. An additional 18,500 magazines were designated to be sold at discount, with the proceeds going to benefit a pro-gun group calling itself “Free Colorado.”
The clips were airlifted in on a helicopter and rode along with the event’s keynote speaker, Republican political commentator Dana Losech. Video shows the chopper landing in Glendale’s Infinity Park to cheers as a man’s voice booms over the public announcement system: “This is freedom!”
The group behind the event, Free Colorado, claims to be a non-profit organization and was cited as such by area media, but a search of the Secretary of State’s registered charitable organizations reveals no records for a group of that name. There was no contact information furnished on the group’s website.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/30/gun-maker-airlifts-20000-extended-magazines-into-colorado-ahead-of-ban/
I'm curious, is there anything in the law that legally forbids residents from crossing state line and buying them and then returning? And if so, how is this enforceable?
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petronius
(26,602 posts)
Just Saying
(1,799 posts)But it's not the size of your magazine...
Is this another penis reference?
CokeMachine
(1,018 posts)another poster brings up sexual conotations. Didn't take that one very long. Are you infatuated with size (of magazines)??
Please try another insult -- that one is limp!! 
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)in Evenston or Kemmer, Wyoming, and count the Utah license plates. There is your answer.
CokeMachine
(1,018 posts)Drinking age for WY was 18, ID 19 and UT 21. A three hour round trip! Only rule was no drinking until we got home.
premium
(3,731 posts)Calif. residents drive into NV to the Indian Reservations and buy the fire works that are illegal and drive back to CA.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)In Ohio, we sign a paper promising to take them out of the state within 48 hours.
I always write that I'm taking them to Guam. They laugh, and say 'good enough', and sell me the fireworks.
Lovelock NV has a year round FW store right next to a McDonalds and gas station. Good placement for the CA people heading home and it's not on a reservation.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)If somebody was to cross state lines in the next month or two, then the mags would be fine, since they would probably have been made before the ban.
After a few months, the date stamp would give away the date of manufacture.
My handgun mags don't have date stamps though, but some might. All my AR mags have date stamps.
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(3,731 posts)HolyMoley
(240 posts)Date codes haven't been mandatory by Fed law since the AWB expired on 09/04.
So, even though MagPul currently marks their mags, other manufacturers may not.
At worst, it'll only create a new online sales market for pre 07/13 magazines (at an inflated price).
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)If you did remove the date code, then most law officers would assume they were made after the ban, although under the law, you are innocent until proven guilty, and they would not be able to prove what date the mag was made without the date code. If Magpul was smart, they would stop printing the date code for all mags being shipped to neighboring states.
I really don't think its worth doing that though, assuming its legal to ship pre ban mags to CO, I would just buy them used. Since most states (probably 45) don't have any restrictions, they have no problem selling their used mags if they get enough to buy a new mag, so at least for a short time, there shouldn't be any issues.
In 2-3 years, Magpul, as well as others with redesign the mags, then it will be a dead giveaway that it was made after the ban.
HolyMoley
(240 posts)""If you did remove the date code, then most law officers would assume they were made after the ban, although under the law, you are innocent until proven guilty, and they would not be able to prove what date the mag was made without the date code."
Exactly.
It's not like a firearm with an obliterated SN (which is a crime itself), and unless recovered, can be shown to be stolen or a straw purchase. Simply using a soldering gun, or the old hot knife for cutting plastic trick, should suffice.
"If Magpul was smart, they would stop printing the date code for all mags being shipped to neighboring states."
Wouldn't work. Investigators would know that any Magpul magazine without a date code was manufactured after a certain cut-off date.
The date codes aren't even intended to determine date of manufacture for legal purposes.
They're there for the manufacturers benefit (QC, lot numbers, etc).
If you look around, a lot of household, everyday items made from plastic have similar codes.
"I really don't think its worth doing that though, assuming its legal to ship pre ban mags to CO, I would just buy them used. Since most states (probably 45) don't have any restrictions, they have no problem selling their used mags if they get enough to buy a new mag, so at least for a short time, there shouldn't be any issues."
Agreed.
I wouldn't even haphazard a guess of how many pre-ban magazines are out there.
Even during the 94 Federal ban, unmarked, legal mags were plentiful (but, pricy).
It really should be a moot point; shame on an CO gun owners that didn't stock up ahead of time when there was plenty of advance notice.
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)From the IRS, OSHA, EPA, and every other alphabet agency you can think of.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)if you ping MAIG's website and NYC gov websites, you get the same IP address
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)What did magpul do wrong? The ban had not taken effect yet, so they were legal to sell.
Plus, if the state is going to ban future sales, then its a good business move to get the sale in now. Thats 20,000 mags they sold at one event. That may mean people like me ( I don't live in CO) have to wait a few more days to get a magazine, but I'll still be around as a customer.
Plus, as somebody who thinks its a good law, I support Magpul (as well as several other companies) directing extra product to a state before the ban.
CokeMachine
(1,018 posts)the federal government?? 
I don't expect you to respond since your MO is to post the outlandish and then run away. There's a word for that but I don't want to get another hidden post. You're just too much 
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)Apples/Oranges
CokeMachine
(1,018 posts)but you might want to check with some on your side. Gun owners on this site are called murder enablers, child killing supporters, etc..
I'm sure the shrubs opinions on Iraq never killed anyone -- of wait?
Pot meet kettle and all!!
locks
(2,012 posts)Yes, they came to the Capitol today with their huge ammo clips to taunt the Colorado State Patrol into arresting them for breaking our new sensible gun laws. They had the brainy idea of passing the clips around a circle to see if the police could tell who actually owned the clips. "Civil disobedience" they called it. We were all immediately reminded of our revolutionary forefathers, Mandela, Martin Luther King, the students in Tianamen Square, and the millions who have been arrested and imprisoned and often gave their lives to protect real civil rights.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)The issue is the people who were elected to represent their districts took their cues from Bloomberg's lobbyists. That is how it works in places like Colorado and Wyoming, Party In Name Only. Constituents come before out of state lobbyists and national party. When they get caught, they get recalled.
jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)locks: Free Colorado .. came to the Capitol today with their huge ammo clips to taunt the Colorado State Patrol into arresting them for breaking our new sensible gun laws.
.. bunch of rightwing nutjobs. Hopefully IRS will investigate 'Free Colorado' NON PROFIT: The group behind the event, Free Colorado, claims to be a non-profit organization and was cited as such by area media, but a search of the Sec of State’s reg'd charitable organizations reveals no records for a group of that name. There was no contact information furnished on the group’s website.
Gee, how come none of the posting guntubbies noticed the above on the OP? not a negative woid was hoid about 'free colorado' maybe being a scam front for the gunlobby.
FreeColorado, that NONPROFIT 2ndA defender of money grubbing: While we celebrate America’s 237th Anniversary of Independence, we propose organizing a peaceful gathering of like-minded patriots who cherish their {blahblah - as much as we cherish their money}. We will assemble {Denver} in protest over Colorado Assembly’s egregious abuse of political power.. This law will effectively disarms the Great Citizens of Colorado by virtually banning every magazine in Colorado, rendering all firearms useless that use these magazines!http://mmx2013.wordpress.com/
#1 GOAL: We’ll facilitate in obtaining petition signatures for any recall or ballot initiative efforts. Food, entertainment, giveaways, and raffles will be considered, depending on budget (volunteers and donations) and patriot attendance.
On-site demos for readily converting grandfathered magazine to accept more than the 15 limit.. available.
I guess they meant unconscionably, dunno how the gov could sign it 'unconsciously'!!!: new proposed law, effective July 1st, should GOV HICKENLOOPER unconsciously SIGN HB 13-1224 into law. Also, Denver has an ordiance restricting 20+ round capacity magazines within city limits. This is civil disobedience!
more cr*p: Any donations will first be applied towards all event expenses, followed by any recall and ballot initiative efforts, and finally toward the upcoming 2014 campaign efforts that supports the dismissal, with prejudice, of those {Great Citizens} who infringe on our right to bear arms! ---- Yeah right, says who, you?
premium
(3,731 posts)on org. that you don't agree with.
Joesph Stalin would be so proud.
