Pro "Gun Control" supporters....How are you going to stop 100,000 handguns from being stolen....

[Logical]

a year and being used for crimes?

Remember, only 13,000 guns were used for murders in 2011. That amount can easily be obtained from stolen guns alone.

There are 300 Million guns in this country. You cannot prevent them from being stolen. I know many PRO "Gun Control" supporters would love to arrest people who have a gun stolen but that will never happen and would not be fair. They are stolen from cars (because they cannot be carried in many places) and from homes and from businesses. This is not preventable.

Guns are legal to manufacturer, sell and purchase. There is NO POLITICIAN, Republican or Democrat who is willing to try to ban gun manufacture, sales or purchases. None. No one has seriously even discussed banning all guns sales or purchases. It will never happen.

So exactly how do the PRO "Gun Control" crowd plan on preventing criminals from obtaining guns?

The criminals will ALWAYS have guns, why do you want to prevent the law abiding citizens from owning them?

[xchrom]

1. How can you not arrest & prosecute some one

For some thing that is stolen?

How is that 'not fair'?

A gun is not magical - it's property.

A gun in particular - if it's registered - should be prosecutable if it's stolen.

[Logical]

2. Same for car that is stolen. Or alcohol? Or prescription drugs?

[X_Digger]

5. The 'someone' arrested is the thief.

That's who's responsible.

Fucking duh.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

6. I think the point is...

...that we all support arresting the thief, but some of us want the victims arrested.

[applegrove]

3. If it was corporate property you can bet there would not be 100,000 cases a year.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

4. One question:

I own a corp. How is this relevant?

I imagine numerous FFLs are organized as corps and, now and then, they get robbed and firearms are stolen.

What point are you trying to make about corps?

[jeepnstein]

9. Not really.

U.S. corporations are getting looted every day by intellectual property theft. Of course, their response was as heavy handed and had no regard for freedom or the individual. Hmm... Ain't that the way of the world?

Thieves steal things. They've been doing that since the beginning of human civilization. Anything that can be sold easily and for a good price will be the target of thieves. Whether it's guns, copper plumbing, intellectual property, or whatever you can imagine, there will always be a thief lurking around the corner waiting to get "his" share.

[TheWraith]

20. Corporations are stolen from a LOT more than that.

I have a family member who once was brought in to manage a small convenience store at a time when the place was losing $10,000 per MONTH of inventory to theft, mostly by employees and their friends. That's one convenience store in one small town in the middle of nowhere, owned by a very large corporation. There's nothing magic about corporations that protects them from theft.

[ileus]

7. The only answer is a total ban and "turn them in America"

After 2 years of voluntary turn in we then use whatever paperwork we have (FOID, 4473, CCW permits, licensing, snitching) followed up by 5 years of door to door searches.

[jeepnstein]

10. door to door searches?

That's funny. And who, exactly, is going to do these searches? And how are we going to fund this effort? Anything else you want seized during the search? Anybody you want to see rounded up? How long are you going to take per residence? Are we going to be allowed to use any "enhanced" interrogation techniques during this search?

[ileus]

11. after 2 years it would be a felony, and maybe even a charge of terrorism if...

they haven't turned in their death spewers....at if declared an act of potential terrorism we could bring down everything upon those that haven't surrendered their firearms. We can win this battle all we need is a common sense gun ban.

But we have to take them all....not just pistols and semi-autos. Single shots, bolts, muzzleloaders...every last one of them.


By the 3 and 4th year shootings would be extremely rare.

[jeepnstein]

14. I'm sure with all your Common Sense...

you'll be willing to be running point on those door-to-door searches? Of course in the spirit of the law I would expect the entry teams to be unarmed as well, fair is fair after all. How you gonna know if someone has already complied with the law? Maybe we could put a serialized tattoo on their wrist. Oh, and spray paint some nifty design on the door of course.

We might as well look for kiddie porn, illegal drugs, bootlegged CD's, and subversive publications while we're putting forth the effort. I'm sure you have a plan for how we're going to house and feed all the prisoners this new class of felony is going to create.

[TheWraith]

21. I believe the person you're replying to is performing a parody.

I.e. pointing out the unspoken part of what would have to go with the claims of some people here that ending gun sales is the magical answer.

[jeepnstein]

23. Really?

So that phone call I got from the local militia leader is just a prank? Oh, well, never mind. Nothing to see here. Move along...

[appal_jack]

15. wow: insane

ON-EDIT: Ileus just might be employing some sarcasm in his posts above. Nonetheless, his argument is close enough to others I have seen here in the Gungeon that I will leave my original response intact, here:

This is one of the most anti-democratic, unconstitutional, and truly insane viewpoints I have ever seen at DU.

To achieve your (awful) goal, the 2nd, 4th, 5th, 9th, 10th, and 14th Amendments of the US Constitution would have to be repealed, or grossly violated. Plus, your goal is shared by such a tiny minority of the US population that it could only be 'achieved' by a ruthless and totalitarian dictator.

Prosecuting people for acts of 'potential terrorism' when they have wronged no one and intend no harm? How bone-chillingly Orwellian and brutal of you.

You can keep that goal in your under-performing mind and fearful heart if you want, but you can't pretend that it's a goal compatible with American values or traditions, nor even with a pluralistic society anywhere.

-app

[jeepnstein]

24. Stick around, it gets even better.

Wait until some of our resident statists propose such a thing and they really mean it. We have a few on this board who spout such stuff as "common sense" quite frequently.

[Bum_Whisperer]

28. Common sense really ain't too common anymore.

[SteveW]

36. Ileus: Toter of rude tooters. Yep. A Sarcassmo Sea. nt

[sylveste]

25. yeah,

beacause one never hears of a felony arrest for drugs. just think guns would be as absent from society as coke and pot. you're are asolutley right, we need a "war on guns" hopefully one with as much success as the "war on drugs".

[Lurks Often]

12. Likely leading to the Second Civil War

A lot of law enforcement will refuse to do the searches and the same is true of the military. You will also have states (probably a majority) refusing to enforce the law.

So how do you enforce it when some of the states, elements of law enforcement and elements of the miltary won't go along and may even use force to resist?

Who volunteers to kick in those doors?

What about the Supreme Court ruling? Even the justices who voted against Heller (except Breyer I believe) acknowledged that the Second Amendment is an individual right.

[oneshooter]

22. "Who volunteers to kick in those doors?"

Why thr gun control freaks who are screaming to get rid of them. They will be more that willing to risk their own to see their goals achieved.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

Just in case it's needed

[Remmah2]

8. ...............and some of those guns are stolen from government sources. nt

nt

[Common Sense Party]

13. "Damn right we'll confiscate!"

Or so it has been said...

[DWC]

16. Respecting a gun owner's determination to have immediate access

to a defensive firearm while highly restricting covert access by other unauthorized individuals has become my "mission-in-life".

Some of my work can be seen at: www.thepistolpad.com

In the real world, the theft of firearms will never be stopped but it can be dramatically reduced - one gun owner and one gun at a time.

Semper Fi,

[Glassunion]

17. My 5-Step Plan

1. Repeal the 2A
2. Ban all firearms
3. Offer free bacon with every firearm turned in
4. ????
5. Profit

[X_Digger]

18. mmmm, bacon. n/t

[DonP]

19. Sure, cop the strategic plan from the Underwear Gnomes

But I do like the addition of free bacon a lot better than those stupid gift cards at the gun buy backs.

I keep asking which of our gun control enthusiasts is going to start the petition drive to repeal the 2nd, but after years of asking, no takers yet. They seem so fired up about it online, and in the local campus coffee shops, you'd think they'd want to do something about it.

[Hoyt]

26. That it, let's buy another 100 million guns over the next decade so the problem will be even worse.

But, by god, we need to protect the rights of those who can't venture out without a gun or two strapped to their bodies or tucked somewhere. Carry on.

[DWC]

27. Actually, the projection is closer to 200 million

in the next decade making firearms one of the best growth industries in the USA.

A Concealed Handgun - NEVER leave home without it.

Semper Fi,

[Logical]

29. So what do you propose? I am waiting.

[Hoyt]

30. I propose a return to reality for those addicted to the dang things. Maybe a 12 step program, or

something will work for some of you.

Plus, stop reading the NRA and other right wing gun site BS.

[Logical]

31. Well, not a solution but just whining.

[oneshooter]

32. Are you going to recieve treatment for your hoplophobia.

Even if you deny having it, it shows.

[Hoyt]

33. Hey, I leave home without having to carry a gun or two.

[ManiacJoe]

34. Here is hoping you never have to regret that decision.

Preparedness is a good thing, but best of luck to you anyway.

[Hoyt]

35. Thanks, I've lived a lot of years and been bunch of places w/of needing a gun.

As have most people.

[SteveW]

37. ...Two tooters totin' rude. nt

[Hoyt]

38. You ought to try going "bare" . . . . . .if you dare.

[SteveW]

39. My skinny-dipping days ended about 10 years and 40 lbs ago. nt

[Hoyt]

40. So you turned to guns?

[SteveW]

41. Nope. Have had those for 50 years.