HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Topics » Justice & Public Safety » Gun Control & RKBA (Group) » 5 "people" arr...

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:11 PM

5 "people" arrested in home invasion, murder

Five people were arrested early Tuesday after the shooting death of a man at his girlfriend's house, Tulsa police reported.
The victim, identified by police Tuesday as William Zachary, 66, was shot during an attempted home invasion robbery in the 13300 block of East 36th Street about 8:15 p.m. Monday.

More at: http://www.tulsaworld.com/specialprojects/news/crimewatch/article.aspx?subjectid=450&articleid=20120117_450_0_Threet205594

Was cooperating with the "people" that violently invaded the home. Was shot anyway. All 5 need to be charged with murder.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

20 replies, 2355 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 20 replies Author Time Post
Reply 5 "people" arrested in home invasion, murder (Original post)
oneshooter Jan 2012 OP
one-eyed fat man Jan 2012 #1
TheWraith Jan 2012 #2
Patrick_Bateman Jan 2012 #3
safeinOhio Jan 2012 #4
Clames Jan 2012 #13
safeinOhio Jan 2012 #15
Clames Jan 2012 #20
rocktivity Jan 2012 #5
TheWraith Jan 2012 #9
tularetom Jan 2012 #6
YllwFvr Jan 2012 #18
oneshooter Jan 2012 #7
PavePusher Jan 2012 #10
oneshooter Jan 2012 #11
Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #12
Clames Jan 2012 #14
MicaelS Jan 2012 #17
ileus Jan 2012 #8
safeinOhio Jan 2012 #16
AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #19

Response to oneshooter (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:20 PM

1. How long will it take?

When will the defenders of the downtrodden and disadvantaged be here to tell us how economic circumstances led them to to shoot a man in the face after he gave them his wallet?

"They are just after "stuff."

"Give them what they won't and they won't hurt you."

"It's uncivilized to use deadly force to defend property."

I am sure if he hadn't somehow escalated the situation those misbegotten scum would not have murdered him in cold blood.

I do not give a shit what their families or communities think, "people" who commit those kinds of crimes are vermin.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to oneshooter (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:21 PM

2. Cooperation is no guarantee of safety.

Unfortunately sometimes "three strikes" laws contribute to this sort of thing--if someone knows they're going away for the rest of their lives if they get caught, they've got lots of reason to dispose of the witnesses, even for a "simple" mugging, much less a home invasion.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to oneshooter (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:22 PM

3. Poor man.

 

Yes, the little bastards need to be put away for a very long time.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to oneshooter (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:25 PM

4. For less than a $100 you

can make your door virtually impossible to be kicked in. That would be a really good idea to do if a gun safe is visible from the outside.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to safeinOhio (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 06:36 PM

13. Impossible...

 

...for toddlers or those in wheelchairs or on crutches. Maybe. How much for windows? French doors? Sliding glass doors?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Clames (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 07:31 PM

15. Possible

Many products, just google what you need to secure

entry doors


sliding doors

&feature=related
&feature=related


windows-lots of self installed films. Here is just one



any of these product would have given the guy enough time to open his damn gun safe and been ready.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to safeinOhio (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 10:10 PM

20. Nope...

 

...none of those products would be effective other than maybe a very few seconds gained. Poor quality, mass produced door and window units installed by poorly skilled laborers means it takes a lot more than bolt-on parts and quick fixes. I've kicked doors hard enough to split the actual door itself at the hinges. Window film works on commercial applications with heavy frames but are worthless on the vast majority of residential windows.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to oneshooter (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:34 PM

5. All five CAN and SHOULD be charged with murder

It's called third-degree or felony murder: If someone dies in the course of your committing a felony (the home invasion, in this case), you've also committed a murder. Since the five acted in concert, they're each as guilty as if they pulled the trigger.

And please note that I wrote "someone dies" instead of "someone gets killed" -- it was not by accident. If the man had dropped dead of a heart attack, or fallen down some stairs and broken his neck, that would add up to five counts of felony murder, too.


rocktivity

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to rocktivity (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:54 PM

9. It also counts if one of the criminals ends up dead.

For instance, if this guy had shot and killed one of the invaders, the other four would have been able to be held criminally liable for his death.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to oneshooter (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:44 PM

6. I'm a strong believer in being prepared to defend yourself against these kinds of invasions

However you should not be naive enough to believe that the people who invade your home won't be prepared to defend themselves if you fire at them. And if there are more of them than there are of you, the results could be unfortunate anyway.

In my experience a lot of people think that being prepared to offer an armed response guarantees your safety/survival under any circumstances. All it does is even the odds a bit.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to tularetom (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 01:43 AM

18. a quality kevlar vest would also be nice

Haven't had mine long enough to decide if I would get it in case I confronted someone, or if my other half would.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to oneshooter (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:46 PM

7. I used "people" as a descripition as my use of the word

goblin upsets certain Canadians. In my opinion they are less than human, since they hunt in packs and go after the old and defencless, and thus goblin would be appropreate.
However since the Canadians object to it I will refrain from using the term goblin in the OP.

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to oneshooter (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 03:04 PM

10. I don't think the purpose of this site is to ensure the tranquillity of Canadians.

 

If they don't like the word, they can jabber all they want. Whatever.

Carry on with whatever verbiage you deem appropriate.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to PavePusher (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 04:17 PM

11. They will get upset about the use anyway.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to PavePusher (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 06:25 PM

12. The purpose of this site isn't to ensure the tranquility of Canadians?


Oh....PavePusher - you're a mean man.

In fact, you bein' an evil gun owner and all, I believe that Guitar Shorty wrote a song about you......

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to oneshooter (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 06:41 PM

14. I wouldn't worry about the feelings...

 

...of certain Canadians. Goblins, vermin, thugs, bastards, and even more colorful epithets should all be perfectly acceptable for criminals such as these.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to oneshooter (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 11:30 PM

17. Call them predators, that's why they are n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to oneshooter (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:50 PM

8. I suppose there's no making some criminals happy...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ileus (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 08:01 PM

16. I just want to make them go away.

Not that hard.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to oneshooter (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 11:06 AM

19. Compliance relies upon placing some measure of trust in someone who just threatened your life.

Not a good bet.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread