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Related: About this forumUtah governor vetoes bill to carry concealed gun
It was one of the most hotly contested measures to come out of the Utah Legislature this year.
"As I've said it before, if it ain't broke, don't fix it," Gov. Gary Herbert said, noting the current system has not inhibited the ability of state residents to bear arms.
Supporters of the bill say they will urge lawmakers to overturn the veto.
http://www.heraldextra.com/news/state-and-regional/utah/utah-governor-vetoes-bill-to-carry-concealed-bill/article_35094504-aa20-5150-8773-a891a0906cfb.html
More than 430,000 people hold Utah concealed carry permits. That includes Utah residents and some people who live outside the state.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Unless you need a CCW to carry in a locked case or some such thing. I fail to see the logic either way.
guardian
(2,282 posts)Until I read the article
"Rep. John Mathis, who sponsored the bill, told lawmakers during this year's legislative session that the current law presents a problem for ranchers who inadvertently cover their gun when putting on a jacket in bad weather.
"All this bill does is simply allow those who want to carry openly _ who can do it now _ to put a coat over that gun," Mathis said last month."
It's kind of the reverse of the situation where a CCW accidentally/momentarily exposes their weapon. For example reaching for the high shelf in the supermarket. Then some delicate flower antigunner wets themselves and causes a stink over nothing.
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rdharma
(6,057 posts)Bay Boy
(1,689 posts)....Because I was thinking they must already have CCW in UT, but this is about a permit not being needed if the concealed weapon is not loaded.
mokawanis
(4,438 posts)Every little bit helps. I'm opposed to concealed carry WITH a permit, so the idea of concealed carry without a permit strikes me as an incredibly dumb and dangerous thing to let people do.
You support open carry?
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gejohnston
(17,502 posts)that has always allowed permitless concealed carry. What makes the Utah bill unusual is that it allows permitless concealed carry only if the gun is unloaded.
ileus
(15,396 posts)As long as they have CC and OC as options it should be ok.
Can they OC in Utah without a permit? If so there's no real problem.
CokeMachine
(1,018 posts)Carry permits issued? Yes Yes - Open carry allowed without permit and concealed carry of loaded firearm allowed with permit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Utah
av8r1998
(265 posts)I really don't understand the distiction of permit for CC, no permit for OC.
A gun is a gun is a gun. Not sure why they want to permit one mode of carry and not the other.
If anything, I'd think it would be the other way around. Permitless CC, Permitted OC.
Why? Because tactically OC opens up a whole new training and equipment issue, specifically weapons retention.
Ever see that guy that shot himself in the foot trying to draw from a Serpa Holster? There have been so many accidents, Front Sight doesn't allow students to train with them anymore.
Straw Man
(6,622 posts)... "unloaded" is defined as requiring more than one action to fire the gun. A semi-auto with a full magazine but an empty chamber is "unloaded" in Utah. A double-action revolver with an empty chamber in the "ready" position is also "unloaded."
I'm not sure about this, but it seems that by this definition a single-action revolver would always be considered "unloaded."
av8r1998
(265 posts)That in Utah you can carry a loaded gun without a permit..
As long as it isn't concealed... right?
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