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Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:02 PM

Minnesota Gun Ban bill DOA

Assault weapons, ammo bans off table in state Senate

The Minnesota Senate will not act to ban assault weapons or high-capacity ammunition clips this year, a DFL leader said Monday.

Sen. Ron Latz, DFL-St. Louis Park, who is chairing the Senate’s gun hearings this week, said he will focus on closing the loopholes in background checks and leave the issue of banning weapons or ammunition to Congress.

“The assault weapons ban and high-capacity magazine ban proposals are highly divisive,” said Latz, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Legions of concerned gun owners turned out for three days of hearings on gun issues last week, and Latz said such bans also do not have strong support from law enforcement.

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Anything Congress does on gun control will likely be be similar or less restrictive than what happens in Minnesota State Senate.

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Pullo Feb 2013 OP
Zoeisright Feb 2013 #1
Clames Feb 2013 #2
ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #5
kudzu22 Feb 2013 #6
Dog Gone at Penigma Feb 2013 #3
ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #7
Clames Feb 2013 #8
Dog Gone at Penigma Feb 2013 #10
Clames Feb 2013 #11
holdencaufield Feb 2013 #4
ileus Feb 2013 #9
markgee Feb 2013 #12

Response to Pullo (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:49 PM

1. International Association of Chiefs of Police

support gun control, dear. As as far as gun control measures being "devisive", sane people do not give a fuck.

http://www.theiacp.org/

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 05:25 PM

2. Obviously sane people do.

 

Tough shit for you and the IACP. Dear.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:53 PM

5. The IACP is a bad joke

More political than law enforcement.

Their words are unimportant and we do not hear them

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:57 PM

6. I just called the klingon a liar

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Response to Pullo (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 05:51 PM

3. I think Latz is wrong

Jut because he is chairing hearings doesn't mean he gets to make that decision all by himself.

There are still two more days worth of hearings. The pro-gun control protest yesterday got a lot of news coverage, and it's being replayed all over the television today.

Also in Congress, they ARE getting much closer to banning large capacity magazines.

That would leave assault style weapons; with another mass shooting earlier today, and the recent multiple bushmaster AR 15s used by the ex-LAPD cop, those are far from off the table.

Every new shooting is now adding to the Sandy Hook effect; it is not diminishing.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:08 PM

7. The rising clamor you claim is to me diminishing and is not universal

Pelosi's bill is already dead on the hill.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:10 PM

8. Wrong on most points.

 

Also in Congress, they ARE getting much closer to banning large capacity magazines.



Who is they? By what standard are you measuring against? More of the same rhetoric being puppeted doesn't mean anything to how close such a bill is at the Congressional level.

That would leave assault style weapons; with another mass shooting earlier today, and the recent multiple bushmaster AR 15s used by the ex-LAPD cop, those are far from off the table.


They are well off the table. They are off the table, out the door, and well down the road. There were millions in 1994, millions added in the 10 years after, and many millions more in the nearly 10 years since.

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Response to Clames (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:57 AM

10. you appear to be out of the loop, perhaps too confident in your assumptions

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I wouldn't count on your assumptions holding true; there appears to be significant change occurring, which I predict will also happen in MN, beginning but not ending with universal background checks.

There are a number of reports of an agreement on federal limits on large capacity magazines like this circulating:

http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Lawmakers-predict-Congress-will-OK-gun-laws-4279920.php


Blumenthal and Sen. Chris Murphy, both Democrats, said the spectrum of enthusiasm among lawmakers for new gun laws ran from wide support for universal background checks, dropping to milder support for a ban on the purchase of large capacity ammunition magazines, to less support for a ban on assault weapons.

The Senate Judiciary Committee is writing the legislation and a bipartisan package will be announced soon, according to Blumenthal, a member of the panel. Blumenthal said he hoped for support from Republican Sens. Tom Coburn (Okla.), Mark Kirk (Ill.) and Susan Collins (Maine).



Meanwhile at the state level, there is progress on a variety of legislation, not just making universal background checks mandatory, but they all seem to be beginning with those.

Colorado and New Mexico appear to be stiffening up their regulations; although CO already required background checks at gun shows, post Columbine. Now CO appears to be adding to that earlier regulation:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CEIQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alamogordonews.com%2Fnews%2Fci_22583399%2Fbill-background-checks-at-gun-shows-clears-nm&ei=IJInUYv4A8PXtQa2z4GIAQ&usg=AFQjCNF_5wfqk5fxZpBkkM5Lb7qtY_v-Aw&sig2=gYuOMOsmLojfkUo3zQm1rg&bvm=bv.42768644,d.Yms

http://news.sky.com/story/1054094/gun-laws-colorado-votes-to-limit-ammunition

" The House also approved bills requiring background checks on all gun purchases, including those between private sellers and firearms bought online; a ban on concealed firearms at colleges and stadiums; and a requirement that gun purchasers pay for their own background checks.

The ammunition restrictions measure would limit magazines to 15 rounds for firearms, and eight for shotguns.

Colorado now joins California, Massachusetts, Hawaii and New York in a ban on magazines that hold over 10 rounds. New Jersey bans magazines that hold over 15 rounds and Maryland those that hold over 20."


I predict that more states, possibly MOST states, will pass both universal background checks and magazine limits, and that the Congress will do more than you think as well.

In MN, I would not be surprised to see Biden and/or Obama do a lot of hand shaking and maybe a little arm twisting, as needed, to get legislation to pass on gun control at the state level if asked -- and I think the asking is planned, or at least, contemplated already.

Obama is at some very high approval ratings; the NRA, the Tea Party, and Congress are not -- ESPECIALLY the Republicans and Tea Partiers in Congress.

If there is even more anger at the right over sequestration, I would expect that to translate in more defections from the right to join the Democrats in both the Senate and the House, especially the House, in order to hedge bets against a backlash against the right before the 2014 election cycle. I think that abandonment of more moderate conservatives will cover a variety of legislation, from passing the Violence Against Women Act to gun control, to raising the minimum wage, etc.

Just a hunch on where I see the trends heading in response to public opinion pressures. Depending on how the next six weeks shakes out, that could change. But adjourning to go on vacation by Boehner? NOT popular at the state grass roots level, pretty much anywhere; that will be a lot more so if the sequestration cuts go into effect and ordinary people start feeling the hurt.

If that happens, I think there is a very good case that there will be some punishment directed at the right, the kind that will make the 2012 election cycle losses look minor.

Obama support is going up, including for his measures on gun control. My sense is the support for the right, including for the NRA, is going downwards, and that includes for opposition to gun control.

This supports that observation, and the pro-gun control numbers just keep going up :


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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:05 PM

11. Reality really. The anti-gun extremists are the over confident ones by far.

 

Very few states will pass universal background check bills, some have already dropped proposed legislation. Some of the proposals have been so onerous that they killed any chance of related bills from even being considered when they were withdrawn. Seems you are not as well versed in the actual politics of this debate as you think you are nor are you as tuned in either. You don't know the difference between trends and spikes either. Two to three months from now, when the emotional hotheads have had their say and are no longer relevant, week see how the landscape really looks. In the mean time you can do yourself a favor and brush up on ALL the legislation that is out there in ALL states then talk about being in the loop.

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Response to Pullo (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 06:24 PM

4. Seem that pandering to the fringe ...

 

... is less important to the legislature than staying in office.




"I didn't get a HARUMPH out of that guy"

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Response to Pullo (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:56 AM

9. Sounds like 1 or 2 people deciding the fate of millions isn't popular.

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Response to Pullo (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 12:02 AM

12. you are correct

 

though it will be interesting to see the mid terms of those states that pass gun control laws

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