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Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:03 AM

Joyce Foundation grants regarding gun control

Found this list of recipients a while back, thought it'd be interesting to discuss.

http://www.joycefdn.org/content.cfm/program-grants-list-3?rr=1&OrderBy=GrantDate&OrderAsc=0&pageNum=1


2011:
Ceasefire Pennsylvania Education Fund...........................$65,000.00
Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence......................$175,000.00
The Police Foundation..........................................$199,952.00
United Against Illegal Guns Support Fund.......................$650,000.00
WAVE Educational Fund..........................................$415,000.00
American College of Preventive Medicine........................$234,716.00
Citizens for a Safer Minnesota Education Fund...................$60,000.00
Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence..........................$125,000.00
New Venture Fund...............................................$220,000.00
New Venture Fund...............................................$205,000.00
New Venture Fund...............................................$365,000.00
Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence ............................$75,000.00
Police Executive Research Forum................................$375,000.00
States United to Prevent Gun Violence...........................$25,000.00
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$2,574,716


2010:
Ceasefire Pennsylvania Education Fund..........................$250,000.00
Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence......................$175,000.00
Legal Community Against Violence...............................$300,000.00
Violence Policy Center.........................................$500,000.00
Ceasefire Pennsylvania Education Fund...........................$50,000.00
Legal Community Against Violence................................$33,000.00
Media Matters for America......................................$400,000.00
Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence.............................$55,000.00
Police Executive Research Forum.................................$70,401.00
President and Fellows of Harvard College.......................$600,000.00
States United to Prevent Gun Violence..........................$100,000.00
WAVE Educational Fund..........................................$315,000.00
American College of Preventive Medicine........................$204,094.00
Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence..........................$125,000.00
Research Foundation of City University of New York..............$79,950.00
The Center for Public Integrity.................................$75,000.00
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$3,332,445


2009:
Ceasefire Pennsylvania Education Fund...........................$25,000.00
Freedom States Alliance.........................................$25,000.00
Freedom States Alliance........................................$115,000.00
Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence......................$350,000.00
United Against Illegal Guns Support Fund.......................$175,000.00
University of Washington........................................$15,000.00
Violence Policy Center.........................................$585,000.00
Legal Community Against Violence...............................$100,000.00
The Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence.......................$85,274.00
The University of Chicago......................................$100,000.00
United Against Illegal Guns Support Fund.......................$500,000.00
American College of Preventive Medicine........................$203,193.00
International Association of Chiefs of Police..................$250,000.00
Johns Hopkins University School of Hygiene and Public Health...$179,971.00
Legal Community Against Violence...............................$340,000.00
University of California, Davis................................$175,000.00
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$3,223,438


2008:
Freedom States Alliance........................................$150,000.00
Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence......................$290,000.00
Legal Community Against Violence...............................$325,000.00
President and Fellows of Harvard College.......................$600,000.00
Violence Policy Center.........................................$700,000.00
WAVE Educational Fund..........................................$315,000.00
Ceasefire Pennsylvania Education Fund..........................$350,000.00
President and Fellows of Harvard College.......................$325,000.00
United Against Illegal Guns Support Fund.......................$325,000.00
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$3,380,000


2007:
Freedom States Alliance........................................$150,000.00
International Association of Chiefs of Police..................$300,000.00
Legal Community Against Violence...............................$300,000.00
Mayors Fund to Advance New York City...........................$175,000.00
University of Pennsylvania.....................................$100,000.00
Violence Policy Center.........................................$700,000.00
American College of Preventative Medicine......................$425,083.00
International Association of Chiefs of Police...................$99,935.00
Johns Hopkins University School of Hygiene and Public Health...$175,000.00
Legal Community Against Violence...............................$400,000.00
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$2,825,018




When you add it all up (there's more at the link), that's over $27 million. A lot of it correlates to some of the *cough* studies that we've talked about before- Kellerman, Hemenway, Branas.. and you can see where the VPC gets a large chunk of its money.

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Response to X_Digger (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:13 AM

1. Not a penny for actual safety training. How odd. n/t

 

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:48 PM

7. The ultimate "safety" is restricting the things.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 03:14 PM

8. It never ceases to amaze me how cheap...

...the gun nuts are about this. They happily drop a dime on a new gun, but when it's even remotely suggested that carriers should have more training, they cringe at the thought, and demand that the taxpayers subsidize their exercising of their Second Amendment privilege.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 03:18 PM

9. why should I pay

for a problem I do not create? How about extra taxes on head shops? The average bong owner, unless they grow their own or certified violence free, fuels more of our violence than all of us combined. How about the raw ingredients to produce meth etc.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 03:30 PM

10. Case in point.

You're paying for your own training. What's wrong with being required to be better trained? Do you really want a bunch of half-trained cowboys shooting up the Starbucks?

Also, I would point out that one your esteemed members of the gunnerhood here thinks there should be no restrictions on the sale of pseudoephedrine.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 03:40 PM

11. given that

I have been around guns since childhood including the military, I'm guessing I'm pretty well trained. I definitely know more than the average Chicago cop. Has there been a problem with NDs at Starbucks?
Oh yeah, real cowboys don't go to Starbucks.
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Response to ellisonz (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 04:31 PM

14. "Do you really want a bunch of half-trained cowboys shooting up the Starbucks?"

 

Cite where it's happened, cite the training involved, and we'll have a starting point for the discussion.

We'll wait, you'll dodge...

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 09:04 PM

16. Something dumb is bound to happen...

Gun rights activists have been targeting Starbucks' branches around the country, holding meetings in which dozens carrying guns turn up and buy lattes. Starbucks itself won't comment, other than making a statement that the company follows state and local laws and has its own "safety measures" in place in its stores.

Dale Welch, the gun-toting, Frappuccino-buyer above, is a 71-year-old who lives in Richmond, Virginia, one of the safer parts of America more generally. "I don't know of anybody who would provide me with defense other than myself, so I routinely as a way of life carry a weapon — and that extends to my coffee shops," Welch said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/mar/01/guns-starbucks-virginia


I'd actually put my money on someone having an accidental discharge.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:14 PM

17. Starbucks loves the increased profits.

 

When the Brady twits tried to run a boycott on Starbucks in California, due to their refusal to ban open carry in their stores, the store profits went... UP. No ND's noted.

But you keep hoping, I'm going for coffee.

P.S. What other stores do you support a boycott for? I can't remember a business here in Arizona that bans guns. That's a lot of different companies, many of them national chains. Post your list.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:29 PM

18. I think the whole brouhaha was probably a blip in profits.

Also, fuck Starbucks. I only buy Hawaiian coffee.


Most major chains bans guns:

Private businesses such as Phoenix-based commercial retailer Westcor don't expect much impact from the state's decision to loosen concealed-carry weapons permit requirements. The law goes into effect 90 days after the Legislature adjourns.

Westcor bans guns at all of its Arizona properties, except for law enforcement and trained security personnel such as armored-car guards

It posts the "no-firearms" policy at its mall entrances and at anchor stores. Most customers abide by the requirement, but some must be reminded of the policy by Westcor security.

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Most businesses prohibit employees from carrying guns at work. But some, such as the Scottsdale Gun Club, allow employees to openly carry firearms at work.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2010/04/19/20100419biz-guns0420.html#ixzz1kX1JNNbd


Wow...that took two seconds.

P.S. Can you tell your governor to stop being a loon?

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:44 PM

19. Congrats, you got one right. My bad, I forgot about the malls.

 

I avoid them like the plague, so that one slipped my mind. However, many of the stores, especially ones with exterior entrances (anchor stores), do not ban guns. At the Park Place mall here in Tucson, none of the anchor stores are posted. I go into Sears and (until they closed) Borders with some frequency, open carry.

The Gov ain't my problem. I'm not registered to vote here, but back in my home of record, Vermont.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 26, 2012, 10:03 PM

21. I'll bet the people at Luby's Cafeteria in Kileen TX wouldn't have really cared what the

training level of a "toter" would have been.

The story starts around the 3:20 mark. The Susanna Gracia-Hupp piece is after the 20 minute mark.

http://www.spike.com/full-episodes/nsrbpl/dont-be-a-victim-what-if-lubys-cafeteria-season-1-ep-101

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 26, 2012, 11:04 PM

22. P.S. Please explain how one or two friendly-fire casulties

 

after the first 5 or 6 dead could make things worse than 32 dead at VT. Go on, the math should be simple, right?

What if Ms. Hupp had grazed the leg of a customer while shooting the man who'd already killed 10 and was on his way to 23? Simple math, surely.

What if a student had accidently tripped and wounded or killed an innocent while helping provide suppresive fire on Charles Whitman? Would good citizens not having guns have kept the death toll under 16? A + B = ?

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 04:05 PM

13. When was the wording of the Second Amendment changed?

I'll have to get an updated copy. The Second Amendment privilege? What other rights were converted to privileges? Maybe the South Carolina requirement for photo ID. But the DOJ says that is not constitutional.

If the rights as specified are turned into privileges does that mean the House Oversight Committee can declare Cunningham must answer questions when called to testify. They could even waterboard him as the privilege of not only self incrimination but of cruel and unusual punishment could be revoked

Who will be the determining whether you a have rights or are entitled to privileges?

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 05:12 PM

25. Thanks for reminding me...

I almost forgot.

Eddie Eagle visits Canton first graders

Canton Police Department presented a special guest to first graders at Westview Elementry School on Monday, Jan. 23.
Eddie Eagle, mascot of The Eddie Eagle GunSafe® Program, was introduced by Officer Greg Lingenfelter.
Eddie Eagle discussed four important steps to take if a child finds a gun. First, stop. Then don’t touch the gun. Leave the area, and tell an adult.
The purpose of the Eddie Eagle Program is not to teach whether guns are good or bad, but rather to promote the protection and safety of children. The program makes no value judgments about firearms, and no firearms are ever used in the program.


http://www.cantondailyledger.com/news/education/x842388939/Eddie-Eagle-visits-Canton-first-graders

Well, there ya' go. The dreaded NRA and supporting gun toters have a safety program directed at kids. What's the Brady Bunch got that is similar? Or do they just go around making up statistics to scare people?

The questions were rhetorical, you don't have to bother to answer.

BTW, hat tip to the gun wire for the story.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 05:13 PM

26. You and I just had this discussion

And you are completely mis-characterizing what was discussed.

Completely.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #26)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 05:21 PM

27. Doesn't mean you changed my opinion. n/t

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 05:23 PM

28. I didn't say I changed your opinion.

I said you're mis-characterizing completely what we discussed.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 04:54 PM

23. Like "animal rights" groups who don't spend on habitat restoration. nt

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Response to X_Digger (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:32 AM

2. Well, it's not like it's a bunch of 1%ers deciding how the rest of us should live, oh wait ...

Based on some gun control fans around here embrace these groups and Bloomie I guess 1%ers and top down advocacy and lobbying is a great thing ... as long as its against guns and gun owners.

The Illinois budget is primarily for salary and office space for what were 2 employees and now is only 1.

VPC only gets $500,000? Wow! That's barely enough to pay Hennigan's salary and expense account. At this rate Hennigan is going to be working all by himself off a laptop in the DC bus station with free WiFi by 2015.

Noteworthy that 2011 overall was way below prior years.

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Response to X_Digger (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:40 AM

3. So, where does the money come from?

Many antis jump up and down on where the NRA gets its money. Goose, meet gander.

Whoever their donors are, they are the 1% of the 1%. Take a look at their financial statement.

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Response to X_Digger (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 11:56 AM

4. Interesting they give a lot of money to just

Pennsylvania, Illinois, and Ohio. Then I went to Wikipedia and read they primarily give to Great Lakes states.

Here's a nice map of just who they contribute to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JoyceFoundationGunControlFundingR1.png

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:08 PM

5. Illinois is the last chance to stop universal CCW

I expect them to shovel more money into Illinois this year and next to try and stop the inevitable move to allowing CCW here.

It's the last state without it and no state is even vaguely considering revoking the law. In fact several more are thinking of loosening the restrictions e.g NH etc.

There's going to be a lot of anti gun pressure brought to bear on state legislators in the next session. Several of the Chicago based hold outs have already said they have a different view after talking to their constituents and will vote differently. We only needed 6 to change their vote to get both shall issue CCW and preemption.

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Response to DonP (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:36 PM

6. Considering Joyce is located in Chicago

If CCW passes in Illinois, I bet their heads will explode.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 04:57 PM

24. When they give money to NPR/PBS they often use a tag line...

"improving the life of people in the Great Lakes Region."

They should fund new approaches to industrial organization and vocational education.

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Response to X_Digger (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 03:58 PM

12. Thank you. This list has elicited a little grave dance from me.

As I read through the names and donations, I came across a familiar name I hadn't seen in while -- Freedom States Alliance.

This was the anti-RKBA group who produced the odious gunguys.com blog. I called them the anti-gun guys because they really were more interested in making it more difficult for law abiding folks to own the firearms of their choice, often didn't understand the mechanics of firearms, and appeared to be anti-self defense. They were asshats of extraordinary ability.

As it turns out, Freedom States Alliance is no more. They were "merged" with a group called States United to Prevent Gun Violence, but the new group is still called States United to Prevent Gun Violence. In other words, Freedom State Alliance died. <insert grave dance gif>. Announcement from http://supgv.org/alert/2010/february/17/two-national-groups-%E2%80%94-freedom-states-alliance-states-united-prevent-gun-viole

And the best part, is that gunguys.com is dark. They are no more. The new organization didn't even want to devote server space to their variety of bullshit. <insert grave dance gif>

This is a good example of how even well funded anti-rkba groups are failing.





This one is for the all the banned disruptors who used to post that tripe here.

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Response to X_Digger (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 06:18 PM

15. Now consider 4+ million NRA members paying $20/yr...

 

The actual rate is about $35/year but there are often promotional memberships around $20.
Even with the lowest memebrship rates that's like $80,000,000 per year... PER YEAR.
Just imagine how long the NRA has been around... and NOW imagine how much money they must have.

I'll bet the interest from thier savings/endowment dwarfs all of gun-control funding.
They don't even have to spend their money to beat gun control... they only spend the interest
This is why the NRA and gun enthusiasts will never go away. This is why gun control will fail.

And this is all private citizens... grassroots fund raising from membership dues.

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Response to X_Digger (Original post)

Thu Jan 26, 2012, 09:31 PM

20. Their 2011 donations were down significantly from the previous three years.


Wonder what the explanation for that is.

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