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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:15 PM

 

Just call the police...

... just don't expect them to come.




But I don't need a gun because I'm paranoid.

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Reply Just call the police... (Original post)
iiibbb Feb 2013 OP
frylock Feb 2013 #1
iiibbb Feb 2013 #3
frylock Feb 2013 #14
Clames Feb 2013 #46
frylock Feb 2013 #47
Remmah2 Feb 2013 #8
frylock Feb 2013 #13
Walk away Feb 2013 #2
iiibbb Feb 2013 #4
iiibbb Feb 2013 #7
Glaug-Eldare Feb 2013 #10
Walk away Feb 2013 #34
sarisataka Feb 2013 #35
rdharma Feb 2013 #42
Remmah2 Feb 2013 #11
littlewolf Feb 2013 #5
Remmah2 Feb 2013 #9
discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2013 #6
rdharma Feb 2013 #12
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2013 #15
iiibbb Feb 2013 #16
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2013 #19
iiibbb Feb 2013 #28
rdharma Feb 2013 #17
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2013 #20
rdharma Feb 2013 #21
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2013 #23
rdharma Feb 2013 #18
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2013 #22
rdharma Feb 2013 #24
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2013 #25
rdharma Feb 2013 #26
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2013 #30
rdharma Feb 2013 #37
gejohnston Feb 2013 #39
rdharma Feb 2013 #43
gejohnston Feb 2013 #44
rdharma Feb 2013 #45
upaloopa Feb 2013 #27
iiibbb Feb 2013 #29
upaloopa Feb 2013 #31
gejohnston Feb 2013 #32
upaloopa Feb 2013 #33
jmg257 Feb 2013 #36
upaloopa Feb 2013 #41
rdharma Feb 2013 #38
gejohnston Feb 2013 #40

Response to iiibbb (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:33 PM

1. you need a 30 rd mag because you're paranoid

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Response to frylock (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:52 PM

3. ba-da-bum

 



although I own none of those. The only thing a 30-round mag is for is wasting ammo at the range. I shot a full-auto submachine gun once at a range; the owner let me. That was the fastest $20 I ever spent at a range.

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:26 PM

14. ammo ain't getting any cheaper either..

the days of going to the range and burning a few boxes, or out to the desert to do some plinking are gone.

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Response to frylock (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:56 PM

46. For you maybe.

 

Which is fine because that saves room and ammo for the rest of us.

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Response to Clames (Reply #46)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:21 PM

47. i'm touched

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Response to frylock (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:52 PM

8. 30 round mag makes a great club when it's empty.

 

Some of the anti gun people have no creativity.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:23 PM

13. this anti gun person owns several guns

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Response to iiibbb (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:39 PM

2. I know I'm in the Gungeon because "You Got News" is playing!

I would love to find a town in America where the police collect fingerprints and investigate garage thefts. The only reason a police officer is dispatched in any of these cases is to write a report. The report is generally used for insurance purposes. Why would anyone want to waste their tax dollars to drag an office away from real crime to look at the spot your stolen mailbox used to be.

The best the funniest part is that this is in the gun forum!!! Is this your excuse for needing a gun???

"Specifically, calls to 911 that no longer qualify for an officer on the scene: vehicle theft, garage burglary, writing bad checks, lewd or obscene phone calls that pose no immediate threat crimes where the victim is “safe, secure and not in need of medical attention” and the offender is “not on the scene and not expected to return immediately," according to Sun-Times and Tribune reports"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/03/chicago-911-dispatch-chan_n_2611451.html

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Response to Walk away (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:56 PM

4. Is this your excuse for needing a gun???

 

No, I don't need an "excuse".

But police unresponsiveness adds to the other reasons.... particularly the phrase "not on the scene and not expected to return immediately"... as if they'd know.

It seems the only predictable crime around here is that gun owners will eventually go crazy and shoot up a school; it seems to be the one inevitable crime.

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Response to Walk away (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:52 PM

7. One third of violent crimes take 10-60 minutes for police response

 

One third in 5 to 10 minutes

One third in under 5 minutes.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus/current/cv08107.pdf

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:57 PM

10. And sometimes, they'll blow you off entirely

and let you get raped for 14 hours.

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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:01 PM

34. You gun people are crazy! They nuttier you sound the more people are getting....

turned off by the histrionics.

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Response to Walk away (Reply #34)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:08 PM

35. Sorry, that one is quite true.

By a 4-3 decision the court decided that Warren was not entitled to remedy at the bar despite the demonstrable abuse and ineptitude on the part of the police because no special relationship existed. The court stated that official police personnel and the government employing them owe no duty to victims of criminal acts and thus are not liable for a failure to provide adequate police protection unless a special relationship exists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

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Response to Walk away (Reply #34)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:40 PM

42. turned off by the histrionics.....

 

Actually, Walk away, I think you should change that "gun people" comment to "some gun people"..... or better yet.... "gun crazies".

I'm a "gun person" and I don't want to have ANYTHING to do with the "gun crazies"! They give reasonable and responsible gun owners a bad name.

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Response to Walk away (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:00 PM

11. In many rural communities, skilled trades people work out of their garages.

 

A typical handy andy guy works out of a three car residential garage. Working out of a truck and garage keeps overhead down, it's what keeps some people in business.

A theft of raw materials or tools is the difference between working and not working. A garage theft could easily amount to $20K. The sheriff's do take the "garage thefts" in my community seriously, many have been solved.

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Response to iiibbb (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:19 PM

5. in LA they are VERY responsive esp. if you drive a pickup truck

it's color is not important.

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Response to littlewolf (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:54 PM

9. or they'll escort you if it's a White Bronco.

 

nt

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Response to iiibbb (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:49 PM

6. What took Chicago so long?

Philly PD handled my car theft this way about 14 years ago.

FYI, if my home is ever burglarized, it will be reported as a burglary in progress...
until the police tell me the house is clear.

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Response to iiibbb (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:12 PM

12. How do you spot gun nutter trolls on DU?

 

Hmmmmmm........ let me see......

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Response to rdharma (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:40 PM

15. How do you spot classist regionalist bigots on DU?

Hmmmmmm........ let me see......

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:46 PM

16. Ahh.. take it easy... probably took him the whole 2 hours to write that post.

 

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:02 PM

19. They're going to be *very* surprised in about a year and a half...

...when they find out a) there are a lot more of "THOSE people" than they think, b) many of those 'gap-toothed yokels'
are actually quite well-informed, and c) tend to turn out to vote at a higher rate than average....

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:25 PM

28. Reminds me of a joke.

 

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:55 PM

17. Classist regionalist bigots?

 

Since this was addressed to my posting,...... I'd like to ask you what you mean.

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Response to rdharma (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:04 PM

20. I was referring to the framegrab from "Deliverance" in that post.

Surely you were not unaware of the origin of that image?

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:07 PM

21. Framegrab from "Deliverance"

 

Yes, I'm aware that it's from "Deliverance"...... so what's your point?

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Response to rdharma (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:14 PM

23. You seem to feel that those who disagree with you are both educationally *and* dentally...

..challenged.

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Response to iiibbb (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:01 PM

18. Police won't be dispatched to robbery calls?

 

I think FAUX "News" should do some fact checking on that claim! I call BS.

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Response to rdharma (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:12 PM

22. -1 for the genetic fallacy; the Sun-Times is saying the same thing:

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/17955932-418/nothing-but-9-1-1.html

City implements 911 dispatch changes freeing up officers for response

...As of Sunday, police officers are no longer responding in person to reports of a vehicle theft, garage burglary, or crime where the victim is “safe, secure and not in need of medical attention” and the offender is “not on the scene and not expected to return immediately.”...


And of course, since the Supremes came forth with Castle Rock v. Gonzales,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales
Chicagoans have no recourse whatsover if the dispatcher fumbles the call...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:16 PM

24. Sun-Times is saying the same thing?

 

No they aren't. -1 for reading comprehension.

Key word....... ROBBERY.

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Response to rdharma (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:18 PM

25. Yep- if no one is physically harmed and the perp is gone, the popo will be there 'whenever'

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:23 PM

26. popo will be there 'whenever'

 

You're still wrong.........clue.......... ROBBERY!

I'd suggest you get the facts correct before you believe FAUX.

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Response to rdharma (Reply #26)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:30 PM

30. I don't believe them- I do, however, believe the Sun-Times.

Again- If no shots are fired, and Freddy/Franny Felon leaves, there will not be an emergency response:

police officers are no longer responding in person to reports of a vehicle theft, garage burglary, or crime where the victim is “safe, secure and not in need of medical attention” and the offender is “not on the scene and not expected to return immediately.”...


Any scumbag with three working brain cells will realize the newly enhanced value of a quick getaway...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #30)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:50 PM

37. however, believe the Sun-Times.

 

The Sun-Times says nothing about ROBBERIES. Please read the Sun-Times article and tell me where they mention ROBBERY as a crime they don't immediately respond to.

FAUX does make that bogus claim about ROBBERY. ........ In fact if you look at the freeze frame of the OP above, you'll see that FAUX has that on their crawler.

A warning bell should immediately go off in your brain when anybody uses FAUX "News" as their source info.

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Response to rdharma (Reply #37)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:05 PM

39. you both are correct

and incorrect at the same time. Quite a paradox isn't it?

City Hall says dispatchers have been told to transfer calls if: the offender is gone, not expected to “return immediately” and an officer is not needed for a prompt investigation; an officer on the scene would “not result in an immediate arrest” and the victim is safe, secure and not in need of medical attention.

I understand this to mean that the cops will show if called or alarm set off while the robbery is in progress. If the victim calls after the robber has grabbed the money and left, then not so much.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #39)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:34 PM

43. Wrong.

 

Weapon or threat (implied or actual) of violence involved . They will respond......ASAP.

Don't assist in spreading FAUX fear and lies.

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Response to rdharma (Reply #43)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:37 PM

44. read closer

robber gone, weapon or threat is no longer present
robbery in progress, weapon or threat still present.

That is what I based my conclusion on. The quote is from the Sun Times not Faux.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #44)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:49 PM

45. That is what I based my conclusion on.

 

Then you are still wrong.

Let's take this one more step and you'll maybe/possibly/hopefully see that you are wrong.

A bank is robbed by armed gunmen......... perps have taken the cash and are long gone...... you think the popo aren't going to respond ASAP?

"robber gone, weapon or threat is no longer present"

Just keep lapping up those FAUX lies, dude!

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Response to iiibbb (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:25 PM

27. This is not about taking your guns away.

You're hitting after the bell. Nobody says you shouldn't be able to protect yourself.
What they are concerned with is the gun violence that is taking innocent lives.
I take it you are not causing that kind of gun violence so nobody wants to prevent you from shooting fist and calling the cops later. Please don't shoot innocent people.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #27)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:27 PM

29. Plenty are saying it... you just don't listen enough.

 

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #29)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:42 PM

31. They are just pissing in the wind.

They want a fight I think.
As I see it, no new proposed gun legislation has anything to do with your right to defend yourself.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #31)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:51 PM

32. affects your ability to do so

see Chicago and DC.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #32)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:56 PM

33. I own a gun. It is on a shelf in my closet.

It's been sitting there for going on 5 years. I think it could be sitting there forever and never be effected by any new law.
If I could use it for defense I would but I don't think I will ever need to and I don't think anyone will take that gun off the shelf but me.
You are safe as far as I see it.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #33)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:11 PM

36. Alot would be dependent on the type of gun, and, for now, what state you were in.

Quite a few people in NY now have to figure out how the guns and accoutrements sitting in their safes for years are affected by new laws...and try to figure out the best way to deal with them.

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:26 PM

41. You are right I didn't think of that

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #27)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:57 PM

38. Please don't shoot innocent people.

 

I'd go one step further and say shoot only in defense of your or somebody else's life.

It's not worth killing (even a dirt bag) for some piddly non-violent misdemeanor or property crime!

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Response to rdharma (Reply #38)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:12 PM

40. I agree

Especially in states that have a narrow Castle Doctrine like Wyoming, where you are protected only if in defense of human life inside of the home or tent.

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