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Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:32 PM

 

Gun Violence: What Can be Done to Save Lives

When any entity begins to campaign for gun control it is greeted with a knee jerk reaction from the conservative right. Conservative talk show hosts and pundits insinuate that this is just the beginning and the endgame is to remove all weapons from civilian control. In addition, the left side of the political spectrum makes false assumptions as to how well gun control will tame violence. The government will never be allowed to remove all the weapons from the street, nor is there any good evidence that any administration would aspire to that.

The Federal Assault Weapons Ban has had inconclusive effects that are minimal at best. According to a study by Philip J. Cook, a Duke University professor, The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act was purported to have no effect on gun violence. Nevertheless, according to FBI statistics 8,583 murders (some news agencies have reported over 11,000) were caused by firearms in 2011. The United States has a problem, it cannot be denied.

Gun legislation should reflect the needs of the individual to protect himself. According to the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, more guns lead to more homicide. Furthermore, states with stricter gun control laws have fewer deaths from gun-related violence. It is time to do away with the tired argument espoused by some conservatives that more guns correspond to less crime.

Tougher restrictions on who can buy a gun are necessary. The military does not allow anyone who is on selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors or any other related antidepressant to join their ranks. The drugs themselves come with a suicide warning for those ages twenty-four and under and have been positively linked with suicidal behavior in children and adolescents. It would be prudent to deny the rights of those on such medication to ownership. In addition, stricter background checks must be enforced to ensure every owner is properly screened.

It is unclear what compilation of legislation would be effective and yet still afford citizens the right to protect themselves. The argument that civilians need guns in order to prevent a government takeover is deficient. Guns do no good against tanks and fighter jets. It is correct to assert one’s right to bear arms, and it is appropriate to defend the Second Amendment vigorously. Nevertheless, it is reprehensible to spread this fallacious assertion that the government wants to disarm all of America. Furthermore, it is unacceptable to allow the status quo to continue.

Violence will exist no matter what weapons are available. However, guns are the most efficient killing machines available to civilians. 8,583 gun murders are too many. It is time to do something about it.
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libertyandjustice24 Feb 2013 OP
championofreason Feb 2013 #1
russ1943 Feb 2013 #7
libertyandjustice24 Feb 2013 #9
BainsBane Feb 2013 #8
krispos42 Feb 2013 #2
guardian Feb 2013 #4
Ashgrey77 Feb 2013 #6
GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #3
libertyandjustice24 Feb 2013 #10
kudzu22 Feb 2013 #5
libertyandjustice24 Feb 2013 #11
kudzu22 Feb 2013 #12

Response to libertyandjustice24 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:43 PM

1. I wonder where they get those stats that give the gun murders over 11,000 because you are right the

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Response to championofreason (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:44 AM

7. A teaching moment.


FYI. In the year 2011 the Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 doesn’t really state what you seem to think it does.
FBI’s UCR is a well known and reputable source for statistics, but you have to read the text as well as look at the tables and charts.
“Expanded offense data” are the details of the various offenses that the Uniform Crime Reporting Program collects beyond the count of how many crimes law enforcement agencies report. These details may include the type of weapon used in a crime, type or value of items stolen, and so forth. The Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 where you see the number 8,583 only tells you they have received data (in this case type of weapon) for that many. There ALWAYS are more. The best clue for this fact is to consider what the Total number on that Table 8 in this case for 2011. That Table shows a Total 12,664. But………….There were 14,612 persons murdered in the US……………….NOT 12,664. You can find the Total number of murders in text and tables in the Sections Identified as Murder. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/violent-crime/murder
The CDC’s WISQARS although published later is IMO the easiest and still reliable source for the number you seem to be searching for. WISQARS doesn’t yet have figures published for 2011 but their Homicide Firearm Deaths for 2010 is 11,078.
See Fatal Injury Reports http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/fatal_injury_reports.html

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Response to russ1943 (Reply #7)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 04:57 PM

9. thanks. I figured out tgat the 11,078 comes from the CDC, but thanks for the clarification on

 

reading the FBI stats.

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Response to libertyandjustice24 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:33 PM

2. Legalize drugs.

Immediate benefits nationwide.


Cosmetic restrictions on new guns... minimal if any benefits, and much-delayed.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:53 PM

4. Yes Yes

 

Legalize all drugs. Remove the crime. Tax it. Regulate it. I've been saying this for years.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:26 PM

6. + 1! n/t

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Response to libertyandjustice24 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:05 PM

3. The endgame IS to remove all weapons from civilian control

There are many posters here who want exactly that. If the new AWB, or any other restriction is passed, and the gun violence doesn't change, then there will be demands for further restrictions until total civilian disarmament is accomplished. We have the examples of England and Australia before us to see what happens when gun-banners get their way.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:00 PM

10. Right, I understand that some people want this, I just do not think that it is the endgame of the

 

administration nor do I believe that removing all guns would ever occur in the United States, I just do not think that any Supreme court would ever interpret the 2nd amendment as to allow a ban on all guns. -- at least not any time in the foreseeable future.

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Response to libertyandjustice24 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:10 PM

5. First, stop worrying about gun violence

and just worry about violence period. 8,000 knife murders are not preferable to 8,000 gun murders.

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Response to kudzu22 (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:01 PM

11. I agree obviously that knife murders are not preferrable. However, guns are more efficient killing

 

machines, so this is something that can be restricted, a murderous mind is much harder to restrict.

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Response to libertyandjustice24 (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:18 PM

12. What bothers me is that people tend to think that violence

is easily compartmentalized. If we had 8,000 murders and 7,000 of them were done with guns, then they leap to the false conclusion that if there were no guns we'd only have 1,000 murders. It ignores the protective effect of gun ownership. It ignores the motives for violence that are not swayed by the tools available. In my opinion, it's not the number or type of guns, but rather whose hands they are in.

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