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Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:56 PM

 

Proper gun safety training and handling for kids begins at home.

13 year old girl demonstrates firearms safety and use better than a lot of adults.




"My video from the Fallen Brethren 3 Gun in TX has been shared over 23,000 times!!! Thanks for that. There have been a lot of questions and guessing going on and i want to clear some it up. I am from MO, not TX. Although my dad did grow up in TX. I am 13 years old. This video was from a competition. I am not training for zombies, CIA, navy seal, etc....although I am keeping my future options open!!! The rifle is a full auto ACR. It was a stage gun. YES.....full auto is legal if you pay the proper fees in America. My shotgun is a 12GA benelli M2 and no it doesnt knock me on my butt. The pistol is a S&W M&P 9mm PRO and yes I did miss two shots at the end....sorry. For those of you who say I need to find cover and try doing it with people shooting back......I am 13 and this is a competition.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1d6_1360184770

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Reply Proper gun safety training and handling for kids begins at home. (Original post)
SayWut Feb 2013 OP
rdharma Feb 2013 #1
MichiganVote Feb 2013 #2
Dr Fate Feb 2013 #3
rdharma Feb 2013 #4
SayWut Feb 2013 #5
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #6
holdencaufield Feb 2013 #8
ileus Feb 2013 #17
SayWut Feb 2013 #18
slackmaster Feb 2013 #7
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #11
slackmaster Feb 2013 #14
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #15
iiibbb Feb 2013 #26
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #27
iiibbb Feb 2013 #29
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #31
slackmaster Feb 2013 #36
Straw Man Feb 2013 #45
Jenoch Feb 2013 #21
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #22
Jenoch Feb 2013 #42
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #44
Jenoch Feb 2013 #47
iiibbb Feb 2013 #25
Jenoch Feb 2013 #43
SayWut Feb 2013 #19
Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #9
libdem4life Feb 2013 #10
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #12
libdem4life Feb 2013 #13
ileus Feb 2013 #16
Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #20
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #23
gejohnston Feb 2013 #24
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #28
iiibbb Feb 2013 #30
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #32
iiibbb Feb 2013 #33
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #35
iiibbb Feb 2013 #37
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #39
gejohnston Feb 2013 #34
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #38
iiibbb Feb 2013 #40
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #41
Jenoch Feb 2013 #46
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #48

Response to SayWut (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:02 PM

1. Firearms Safety - The Musical

 

A hat tip to RockyMountainMike!

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Response to SayWut (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:02 PM

2. Just ask Adam Lanza-oh wait, he's dead and he murdered 26 people too.

27 if you want to count his mother who trained him.

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Response to SayWut (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:04 PM

3. She handles her death stick(s) well.

She will need them when the Gangstas and or Red Coats come after her and her family.

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Response to SayWut (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:09 PM

4. Firearms Safety Training - Part Deux

 

This guy is the only one in the classroom who is professional enough to handle his Glock .40

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Response to rdharma (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:16 PM

5. He unsuccesfully tried to sue the DEA after that "demonstration".

 

maybe he should have sued Glock instead?

"A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit brought by the DEA agent who shot himself in the leg during a gun safety demonstration and later became a punch line when video of the incident surfaced online and was widely broadcast on TV.

Agent Lee Paige, 50, contended that the leak of the video--for which he blamed DEA officials--amounted to a violation of his privacy rights. However, in a December 29 order, Judge Jack Shanstrom rejected that claim and dismissed Paige’s U.S. District Court complaint in its entirety. Paige, who worked undercover, claimed that the video’s distribution resulted in him becoming the “target of jokes, derision, ridicule, and disparaging comments” everywhere he went."

Paige, who sued the DEA nearly five years ago, shot himself during an April 2004 presentation to parents and their children at the Orlando Youth Minority Golf Association in Orlando, Florida. As seen in the above video, which was shot by an audience member who later turned his Mini-DV tape over to DEA agents, Paige displayed a handgun to the crowd and remarked, “I am the only one in the room professional enough, that I know of, to carry this Glock 40.”

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/dea/judge-bounces-lawsuit-filed-dea-agent-who-shot-self-leg-during-gun-demo

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Response to SayWut (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:25 PM

6. You assume that ALL parents have guns at home

Ever consider consider parents themselves don't have, or want, guns? Or that not every ADULT knows, or wants to know, how to handle a gun?

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:45 PM

8. Who wouldn't want a gun?

 

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:02 PM

17. I didn't want my M&P so I traded it for a dirtbike.

Of course I now have to find a nice fullsized handgun to take it's place.

Right now I'm down a 9mm so I'm gonna have to pick up another.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:30 PM

18. I made no such assumption.

 

I realize and can understand not every household, or parent, wants or has a firearm in the home.
That's well within your rights, and I respect that.
However, I do think that if there is a firearm in the home, or if their child should ever find themselves in a situation where a gun might be in reach, that child should be taught and made aware of potential dangers and instructed on what and what not to do.

I also believe that children should be taught to treat firearms as an object to be respected, and not reviled.
Given the right attitude, coaching and encouragement, it's perfectly normal, and acceptable for the nations youth to not only be made aware of the dangers of irresponsible firearms handling and lax safety measures, but also that if placed in the proper environment, kids and firearms
is no more harmful or evil than their participating in any other recreational pastime or sport.

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Response to SayWut (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:31 PM

7. Unfortunately many children do not have a parent who is competent to teach gun safety

 

That's why I believe it should be taught in public schools. Every student should be given an opportunity to learn the basic rules of what NOT to do with a firearm that they encounter, and how to safely unload the most common types.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:55 PM

11. No

I don't want to know how to "handle a gun". As a parent, why would I want my child to? So many guns all over in society, that ever human being needs to KNOW this? That the rationale?

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:07 PM

14. Please don't falsely attribute words to me

 

I didn't post anything about teaching them to "handle a gun."

So many guns all over in society, that ever human being needs to KNOW this? That the rationale?

My rationale is that in the lifetime of a person in this country, the probability of encountering a firearm that has been carelessly left lying around or discarded in haste by a criminal is not zero. Therefore it's best if people know what to do (and not do) if they encounter one.

Even if you have a policy of never walking out in the brush here in Southern California, your chance of coming upon a rattlesnake at some point is significant. Everyone should know how to behave in the presence of a rattlesnake, or a firearm.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:39 PM

15. Don't touch it and call police

Rocket science? Child do the same except tell an adult. Then the adult doesn't touch it either, and in addition, calls the police.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:58 AM

26. What if your neighbor's kid brings a gun he found in the alley into your house...

 

... wouldn't you want to know how to disable it?

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:26 AM

27. No

Put down on the table and call the cops. Tell kids to stay away from it until they come. If this gun was used in a crime, you are tampering with evidence if you handle it.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:32 AM

29. The evidence was already tampered with since it was relocated.

 

If I have a gun in my house that I'm not sure about it's condition... I'm unloading it. I'll use gloves whatever.

If you want a loaded gun on your table... I suppose that's your business.


But then again... if we had a gun safety class... perhaps the police could offer input and indicate what they'd want done. Hmm.

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:44 AM

31. I have had guns around the house

My husband's. I don't touch them. They stayed where they were until he came home. Big reason why I wanted the combination safe. No more guns around the guns. They are all now locked up and away.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:03 AM

36. There are no police available right now. They're being hunted by a crazed gun control fanatic.

 

Sometimes it's appropriate for an adult, or even a properly trained teenager, to take action.

We can't count on government to take care of every problem every time.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:22 AM

45. Exactly what the NRA teaches ...

Don't touch it and call police

Rocket science? Child do the same except tell an adult. Then the adult doesn't touch it either, and in addition, calls the police.

... in its "Eddie the Eagle" program.

It's different for an adult. An adult finding a gun should of course call the police, but unless said adult has a cellphone handy and intends to wait and watch over this gun until police arrive, it would be advantageous to know how to render it safe. I would certainly do so in those circumstances.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:02 AM

21. There are situations where knowledge of guns could same your child's life.

If someone brings out a gun in the presence of your child and if your child knows something about guns then your child would be in a position to inform the person handling the gun in an unsafe manner what they should do. That is a convoluted way of saying if all childrn know something about guns, accidental firings could be lessened. It's amazing to me how many people, childrn and adults, think that if the magazine of a semi-auto handgun is removed from a gun then the gun is unloaded. That is not always the case. There could be a round in the chamber and if the trigger is pulled, the 'unloaded' gun will fire and could possible hurt of injure someone.

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:33 AM

22. My kids are grown now

and they grew up in NYC and LI. The situation never came up there.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:17 AM

42. My point about a working knowledge of guns

applies to all people, including those who don't like guns.

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #42)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:21 AM

44. You cannot FORCE this

any more than you can force somebody to know how to drive. It won't happen. And you see this attitude will only make people very mad, and call you a GUN NUT.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:27 AM

47. I never posted anything about forcing anyone to do anything.

By the way, a working knowledge of how to drive an automobile is something every adult should know as well.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:56 AM

25. If your child brought a gun home they found in the woods or alley...

 

... would you not want to at least know how to disable it?

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:20 AM

43. I can understand the point about

leaving the gun alone. I cannot understand the wish to deliberately avoid knowledge about guns.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:51 PM

19. I can go along with that.

 

Growing up (in a single parent household), me mum was very anti-gun; still is to this day.
Had I somehow been able to find myself with a gun in hand back then, odds are that I would have done something foolish, reckless or irresponsible.

What firearms education and experience I do have (35+ years worth), I learned on my own (much to the chagrin of me mum).
But, that's my story. For other kids, things can take a more unfortunate turn with devastating and sometimes fatal results. With that in mind, I can't understand why any reasonable parent, or school official, would object to the "basic rules" of firearms safety and awareness to be taught in the classroom.

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Response to SayWut (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:53 PM

9. Guns in homes with children put those children at risk.

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Response to SayWut (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:54 PM

10. No one I know of in my extended family and most everbody I know since my

Red State days...when people had hunting guns...have had a gun of any kind. Why on earth would I want to pay someone to teach gun safety to kids at public school...some of whom have psychological problems maybe not yet identified...just for starters.

Not to mention all the other things schools can't fund like special ed, liberal arts classes, field trips, books, etc.

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Response to SayWut (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:57 PM

12. This sounds like something out of the NRA playbook

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:59 PM

13. Come to think of it, they'd probably pay the school and bring cool things to give away.

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Response to SayWut (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:59 PM

16. Some of the best family time one can have.




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Response to ileus (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 10:37 PM

20. That is just sad.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:35 AM

23. I agree

especially with little girls. Will she grow up to buy a pink Hello Kitty too?

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:52 AM

24. why is it sad and how different is it from archery?

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:28 AM

28. My kids played sports

They didn't have time to do that. Plus I didn't have that junk food in my house. Nobody, even them, ate it.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #28)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:35 AM

30. ...you sound like a perfect mom...

 

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #30)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:46 AM

32. They preferred sports

and my younger daughter got a college scholarship from it. Better than shooting guns, or sitting and eating in front of a TV.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #32)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:48 AM

33. I shot guns and got a scholarship... I just don't think it's related.

 

If my kid is interested and aptitude, I'll probably support it.

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:59 AM

35. If they are not interesed?

My daughters weren't interested, and neither am I. However, far too many gun owners cannot understand this.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #35)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:07 AM

37. I do more power to you.

 

But I still think people should know some basic safety information/rules regardless. Doesn't even have to be called gun safety education in schools. You could roll it into a class about human relations for all I care and how guns aren't the answer and the damage they can cause. Pack it up however you want.

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #37)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:54 AM

39. Parental Opt Out

Cannot be required and would need parental consent. I had to sign a consent form for my kids to be on school sports teams. Way back when, my husband was on the school's Rifle Team and his parents even back then had to consent to it.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:10 AM

38. Ice hockey involves far more skills

and a lot more exercise.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:59 AM

40. Oh, I don't know. I went to a fight once and a hockey game broke out.

 

They're both olympic sports. No need to be snobby. Shooting is a remarkably difficult skill at that level. Saying shooting is a lesser sport is like saying the Tour de France is "just riding a bike", or auto racing is "just driving a car".

I do draw the line at chess and poker... honest to go I even saw Scrabble on ESPN once

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Response to SayWut (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:14 AM

41. "7 year old boy finds gun in his backpack"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/08/philadelphia-boy-loaded-gun-backpack-school_n_2644801.html

The teachers did the RIGHT thing. Left the gun in the backpack. Did NOT take it out, unload it, etc. The call the police and gave them the backpack with the gun inside.

I suppose those teachers, if had they had a gun safety course, could have taken it out, checked to see if it was loaded, and unloaded it THEMSELVES. If they were allowed to carry guns to school themselves, they would KNOW what to do already, and not have to depend on the POLICE!!!!!

That would be INSANE.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #41)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:26 AM

46. I think you might be

deliberately obtuse on this topic just because you can. Of course the teacher should leave the gun alone. However, knowledge of guns is never a dangerous thing. What is done with that knowledge could get someone into trouble. You seem to know at least one thing that is always the first thing taught in gun safety (you probably learned it from your husband) and that is to treat every gun as if it were loaded.

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #46)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:30 AM

48. Yes, he has said that

but more my own desire to not touch them. Guns gross me out. Period.

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