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Would it be morally wrong to safeinOhio Feb 2013 #1
You can do that... sure... iiibbb Feb 2013 #8
that strange confusion continues CBGLuthier Feb 2013 #2
The size difference is literally what makes me skeptical about many gun control plans Recursion Feb 2013 #6
I love this post, thanks. Agschmid Feb 2013 #13
If that's true, let's regulate guns in the same way we do cars. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #3
If we did tjnite Feb 2013 #15
A list I found online, that completely destroys the "regulate guns like cars" argument. virginia mountainman Feb 2013 #4
^^ +1 works for me discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2013 #5
You can lock anti-car people in the trunk. Remmah2 Feb 2013 #7
I'd do licensing and registration _if_ iiibbb Feb 2013 #9
To put it bluntly rightsideout Feb 2013 #10
Sniff, Sniff... LOL, virginia mountainman Feb 2013 #11
Yet in 2011 Bonduel Feb 2013 #12
Cars can be designed to race. Remmah2 Feb 2013 #16
People will walk right in front of a car kudzu22 Feb 2013 #14

safeinOhio

(32,532 posts)
1. Would it be morally wrong to
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:43 AM
Feb 2013

Register every gun that is used outside of your property like a motor vehIcle? Also to have a government record of transfer of ownership on handgun, just like your car or truck?

 

iiibbb

(1,448 posts)
8. You can do that... sure...
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:19 AM
Feb 2013

Does it mean that if I legally follow the rules for my license and registration in my state, I can take my gun to any state if I follow their rules?

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
2. that strange confusion continues
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:00 AM
Feb 2013

This is a car



There are many like them




They are all designed to take people places. Sometimes they are used poorly and against their design and people are hurt or killed.


Now, this is a gun




See the difference. One is small and the other is large. One is designed entirely for the purpose of killing and maiming and one is not.

Can YOU tell the difference?

For some reason many of the gun culture seem unable to tel the difference. Why is this?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
6. The size difference is literally what makes me skeptical about many gun control plans
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:00 AM
Feb 2013

Cars are large and visible; it's easy to check if they're registered or not. Guns are small and concealable; I think attempts to keep people from having them would be cocaine and marijuana all over again.

I think people compare guns and cars because they are both very common (at least in some parts of the country) and are involved in the deaths of roughly the same amount of people.

I personally love the registration idea, but there's so much push back I don't know if that's realistic. The other component of cars is licensing, which I think might work (the government doesn't have to know if you own any guns that way, just declare that you are eligible to buy and use them).

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
13. I love this post, thanks.
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:17 PM
Feb 2013

I don't come to this RKBA thing often... I liked your post because you point out a false equivalency, and do it with such class.

Thanks again!

 

tjnite

(27 posts)
15. If we did
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:48 PM
Feb 2013

Regulate guns as we did cars... There wouldnt be THAT much difference than what there is now. I can buy a car and register it, though I am not required to- unless I intend to drive it on public roads. I can buy a vehicle new from the dealership or used from a private seller, take it home on a trailor and never leave the farm. Wouldnt have to register it. How bout a trailor queen show car. Wouldnt have to register it. How bout a race/drag car, new or old, wouldnt have to register it if not driven on public roads. These vehicles do not even need to have a title, though most of the time a simple bill of sale is used- if not just a hand shake. Not all states require insurance on registered vehicles.
Guns. When bought from a dealer leaves a paper trail, and BATFE can audit FFLs whenever they want. Plus when bought from a FFL a background check is performed, CWP & PPP holders excepted because they have already been checked out. Those bought from a dealer are de facto 'registered' in a way. Those recieved in a private sell or gift are often not, though a permit is still supposed to be furnished when buying a handgun in many states.

virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
4. A list I found online, that completely destroys the "regulate guns like cars" argument.
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:17 AM
Feb 2013

1- The private sale of a vehicle does not have to be reported to the state
2- A motor vehicle sale does not require a criminal background check
3- There is no limit to the capacity of horsepower a vehicle may have
4- A person can legally own a vehicle at any age
5- A vehicle can be operated in public as early as 16
6- There is no waiting period to buy a car
7- You can buy as many cars you want in a month
8- Students are allowed to bring their cars to school
9- There are no “car free zones”
10- Politicians do not create laws that ban the legal ownership of specific models of cars
11- Politicians do not ban cosmetic features on cars
12- Politicians do not regulate how much gas you can put in your car
13- People diagnosed with a mental illness can buy a car
14- People diagnosed with a mental illness can drive a car
15- People with a criminal record can buy a car
16- People with a criminal record can drive a car
17- Mayor Bloomberg does not require you ask him permission to use a car in NYC
18- Rahm Emmanuel does not advise banks to blackmail car manufacturers
19- It does not take 3 months to begin driving once you have passed your test
20- Children are allowed to bring toy cars to school
21- Schools do not suspend students for making driving gestures with their hands
20- You are not required to provide your fingerprints upon acquiring your drivers license
23- You can make any alteration to your vehicle without having to get approval from the ATF
24- You don’t have to go through the ATF to get a muffler for your car
25- A drivers license will permit you to drive anywhere on the continent (even NYC)
26- No restrictions for “high capacity fuel tanks”
27- The media has not assigned a “behavior type” to certain vehicles in hopes of turning public favor against them
28- You are not required to lock up your car by law
29- MSNBC does not edit video to make drivers look like criminals
30- Vehicular laws do not violate my constitutional rights
31- There is no executive order that advise doctors to ask patients if they own a car
32- When there is a terrible drunk driving accident, congress does not pass laws on the size of rims you can have
33- No one correlates strict driving laws with vehicular deaths
34- No one complains that a car involved in vehicular homicide came from out of state
35- The government does not prevent civilians to own vehicles as it contracts thousands for itself
36- San Diego Police are not proposing a plan to end civilian driving in a generation
37- The media actually owns cars, and are capable of speaking factually about them
38- Politicians actually own cars, and are capable of speaking factually about them
39- Cars don’t kill people, drivers kill people
40- You can buy a car “just for fun”

If your serious, lets talk about regulating guns like cars...

 

iiibbb

(1,448 posts)
9. I'd do licensing and registration _if_
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:23 AM
Feb 2013

it meant that the license and registration to carry concealed in public in one state were valid in all states as long as I follow the rules of that state.... i.e. national reciprocity.

And you wouldn't have to license and register guns kept at home.

It'd be a done deal for me.

rightsideout

(978 posts)
10. To put it bluntly
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:28 AM
Feb 2013

The car-gun comparison is complete nonsense just like the hammer comparison.

As you can tell from the responses above, cars and guns are different.

You don't aim your car, you drive it. It's to get you from point A to point B like a bicycle.

The gun's sole purpose is to kill or destroy the object it's pointed at. Totally different thing from a car.

Another difference is you use the gun to fire a projectile. In a car, you are the projectile. Not many people are willing to use their cars as projectiles with themselves behind the wheel to harm others when it can harm themselves in the process unless they are totally batshit crazy.

Then there is the "impulsivity" factor. A gun is the ultimate, quick, clean solution which leaves the person behind the gun unscathed unless they use the gun on themselves. You use a car for a weapon you will get hurt. The impulsivity factor is less for a car to use it as a weapon.

The whole idea for a gun is self-preservation. The whole idea for a car is to get you from one place to another. Totally different things.

The car-gun comparison is a complete wreck. It doesn't make any sense. It's just another example of lame right wing propaganda.

virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
11. Sniff, Sniff... LOL,
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:01 PM
Feb 2013
The car-gun comparison is complete nonsense just like the hammer comparison.
No it isn't...

As you can tell from the responses above, cars and guns are different.
Both are inanimate objects, whom depend on their users skill, and intent.

You don't aim your car, you drive it. It's to get you from point A to point B like a bicycle.
Evidently you have never driven a performance car in the rain, or snow, evidently you have never just took a ride, for the "hell of it", or tell that to the domestice abuse victim who gets run down.

The gun's sole purpose is to kill or destroy the object it's pointed at. Totally different thing from a car.
tell that to the drunk driver, and the many many other people who has used a car as a weapon before.

Another difference is you use the gun to fire a projectile. In a car, you are the projectile. Not many people are willing to use their cars as projectiles with themselves behind the wheel to harm others when it can harm themselves in the process unless they are totally batshit crazy.
So which is it, cars are weapons, or are they NOT?

Then there is the "impulsivity" factor. A gun is the ultimate, quick, clean solution which leaves the person behind the gun unscathed unless they use the gun on themselves. You use a car for a weapon you will get hurt. The impulsivity factor is less for a car to use it as a weapon.
Yea, tell that to the family of fours, surviving family at their funeral, that a car is not an "impulsive" thing.

The whole idea for a gun is self-preservation. The whole idea for a car is to get you from one place to another. Totally different things.
Evidently you have never heard of target shooting, and collecting...Also I have several "cars" that I own strickly for the fun of it...

The car-gun comparison is a complete wreck. It doesn't make any sense. It's just another example of lame right wing propaganda.
The only person pushing propaganda here is you.
 

Bonduel

(96 posts)
12. Yet in 2011
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:28 PM
Feb 2013

32,000 people were killed in vehicle accidents, those things that are only meant to get you from point A to point B. And the gun, which is only meant to kill and destroy only killed or destroyed about 8,200 people in 2011.

It must be that there are more vehicles than guns, right? According to the info I saw there were about 250 million vehicles in the US and 300 million guns.

I also believe gun owners are more responsible with their gun than most people are with their vehicle.

I drive to work every day on a busy highway through the city and at least once a week some kid is driving irresponsibly because they are on a phone, or a woman is putting on makeup or some guy is is changing the radio station or some elderly person is recklessly using an vehicle he should not be operating. It seems I have a close call every week in my vehicle. I can't say the same for my gun.

I find it interesting that the thing that has a sole purpose of killing, kills fewer people than the thing that is supposed to get you from point A to point B.

I would also say that thousands of people ARE willing to use their vehicle as a projectile when they get behind the wheel under the influence.

kudzu22

(1,273 posts)
14. People will walk right in front of a car
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:44 PM
Feb 2013

..just because the crossing light says it's ok, trusting the driver not to floor it and kill him. Yet if they met the same driver in a Starbucks wearing a pistol, they'd freak out and fear for their lives.

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