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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:33 PM

The Army only issued 20 round mags when I served, wondering where the 30 round.'standard' came from?

All these home defense guys worrying about Charlie? I don't care so much. Those large capacity mags may be good for killers but I would want something way more dependable for the house.

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Reply The Army only issued 20 round mags when I served, wondering where the 30 round.'standard' came from? (Original post)
era veteran Feb 2013 OP
Abnredleg Feb 2013 #1
Puha Ekapi Feb 2013 #2
dizbukhapeter Feb 2013 #3
SayWut Feb 2013 #4
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ileus Feb 2013 #8
oneshooter Feb 2013 #9
tjnite Feb 2013 #10
era veteran Feb 2013 #11

Response to era veteran (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:37 PM

1. End of Vietnam War

They started entering the inventory at the end of the 1960's. They were rare in Vietnam but became more common in the 70's.

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Response to era veteran (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:55 PM

2. When I served....

..'79-'83, we had both 20's and 30's. Most of us, myself included, preferred the 20 rnd mags as they were more reliable.

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Response to era veteran (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:58 PM

3. The 30 rounders came from the AK

 

The Russians designed the AK to be used in a submachine gun role, hence the 30 rounders. Since the fighting in Vietnam was up close and quick, we came up with our 30 rounders.

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Response to era veteran (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:00 PM

4. I first saw them around 1976 or so.

 

A buddy of mine was the company armorer, and I spent a lot of time assisting him whenever IG inspections were coming up. Trust me, disassembling and cleaning several footlockers of magazines is not
an enjoyable way to spend the day.

I was attending an NCO training academy that involved a great deal of field exercises and instruction.
The 30 round magazines were just starting to trickle in, and my buddy issued me 6 brand spanking new mags and 30 round mag pouches. The cadre, course instructors were impressed as even some of them had never seen or used 30 round mags themselves.

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Response to era veteran (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:15 PM

5. IIRC, the USAF started using 30 rounders

in the 1990s when I was in Korea. I asked the armorer if they had any 20s left because my arms are too short to fire from prone position, and it seemed harder to secure in the rifle. I agree with your assessment.

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Response to era veteran (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:22 PM

6. From what I remember

 

The first 30 rounders came about in 1969 and only available on a trial basis to SOG, LRRP, and SEALs as they had the ability to procure prototype or experimental weapons.

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Response to era veteran (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:36 PM

7. We were issued our first 30 rounders in the 1st Cav in mid '71

The 30 rounders were a lot more reliable than the 20 round mags that we could only load 18 rounds in. I think it was the curved design and a better follower, but I'm not sure why, they just worked better.

Never had a jam with one, as long as you kept the feed lips from getting all bent.

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Response to era veteran (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:09 PM

8. That's why you go with 30rnd pmags.

rock solid feeding from a poly mag.

My 20 pmags are my favorite for hunting and target shooting. But the 30 are fun for plinking, and I like the 10 extra lifesaving rounds the 30's provide for home defense.

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Response to era veteran (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:03 PM

9. USMC issued 30 rd mags to me in late 1971.

We recieved mags and pouches seven days before deploying.

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Response to era veteran (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:37 AM

10. M1 Garand

 

only holds 8. The 'standard' went up from there. Would you have rather have had only 8 rnd mags in your AR?
I know its kind of a BS comparison, clip and magazine. 30-06 and 5.56. But then again 30 5.56 rnds is almost as good as 8 '06 rounds. Still think the M14 was the best service rifle. Period

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Response to tjnite (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:37 AM

11. The M14 is the best, I like 7.62.

I was only thinking about reliability. I have never shot a thirty round mag. I did tape two twenties back to back.
The M16/AR15 is quite the weapon for shooting fast and accurately.

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